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  • Unknown
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    edited April 2018 #62
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  • EasyT
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    edited April 2018 #63

    A reasonable concern and one that I would also have. 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2018 #64

    Good vid, good accommodation & keen price👍🏻👏🏻😊. Thanks Brue.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2018 #65

    I’m afraid the World is no longer run by dusty old males that hark back to the 18/19th centuries for the ‘good old days’ it’s now more inclusive. With inclusivity comes the ‘C’ word. . . .Change. Evolve or die👍🏻

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited April 2018 #66

    Brue

    I was given a tour of one of these at the NEC last October and they are very nice. Although modern they are not as obtrusive as a full sized static. If you wanted to go away to a campsite with non caravanning friends they could be the answer. Haven't seen one on site yet although did see the pods at Abbey Wood.  

    David

  • brue
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    edited April 2018 #67

    This is the group of "safari" tents installed by the C&CC at Keswick where they have successfully blended in touring, statics and this style of camping. With the safari tents grouped together it makes a fairly safe area for children to play within view of their parents.

    Some of my family are in France at the moment, staying in a gite but in the summer they'll be staying in a safari tent in the same area on the Loire. They like using them, they previously had a campervan and did years of camping but find this sort of accommodation easier now.

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2018 #68

    I have no doubt that renting out static accomodation can create income. However this is available on many commercial sites for those that want it.

  • brue
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    edited April 2018 #69

    The ordinary wooden pods, already on some sites, are much less well equipped but seem popular for those who still like basic camping but in something a bit more waterproof. smile

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2018 #70

    You & I are not the future ET, the C&MC cannot tailor the future to us. The future & survival of C&MC will be in the hands of the young. There are reasons why the commercial sector move on apace it’s because they are not held back by the voices of the past😕

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2018 #71

    The commercial sections bottom line is profit. The bottom line for CC sites should not be overall profit provided the CC empire is profitable. 

  • Kennine
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    edited April 2018 #72

    The CMC could earn much more money by providing Statics, Pods and Yurt type of accommodation, as described earlier. Touring Pitches on some of their sites are underused and earn nothing, except for weekends. Whereas with the alternatives listed above cash would roll in all week. 

    I'm not suggesting that all touring pitches be scrapped, but to give the customer a valid choice, which after all, is what all good businesses aspire to, an area  of each campsite could be dedicated to providing for those who prefer not to invest in a caravan outfit, but still want the camp site experience. Those people should be encouraged. 

    It would also be good, as the traditional trailer Caravanner would be able to mix, and enjoy the company of younger, more interesting people, who have a wider, more inclusive, experience of the real world..

    wink

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2018 #73

    I was looking at the accomodation supplied by C&CC at Keswick and would certainly use myself for a few days break if not probably away elsewhere. laughing

    That does not mean that I welcome them on any Club site

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2018 #74

    Like just about everything these days if the "accountants" think something will make money then its is given a "chance" but then if they look at something that in their eyes is not giving the "margins" that keeps them happy? then they seem not to allow investment until it dies,several sites seem to have gone that way and others look as if they could go the same wayundecided

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2018 #76

    Neither are they a charitable foundation. Their eyes should be on maximised profit from all sections to fuel growth & modernisation giving their customers an enhanced & reliably good experience👍🏻

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2018 #77

    Problem is with the younger people is that they are rapidly losing a sense of real world living unless there is someone to show them "mostly from the older population" what real life away from the fake world "social media"is likewink just read some of the comments that are posted on herecool

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2018 #78

    As far as I am concerned the core business should be aimed at caravanners, motor caravanners and those with trailer tents and not the general populace. That is why the Club is so named

  • mickysf
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    edited April 2018 #79

    As you rightly say ET, 'core business' are the apt words here! Those very few instances of alternative accommodation, 'peripheral business' may just provide us 'core' the opportunity to continue holidaying with our younger families or non caravaners a 'try before they join'.  Furthermore, such experiences may help grow the appeal and appetite for future caravan/motorhome ownership. 👍

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2018 #80

    a huge +1 to that, maybe even +2

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2018 #81

    It’s good(as usual) to talk with you ET but you & I will never agree on most things so I’ll leave it there. Enjoy your day👍🏻😊

  • brue
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    edited April 2018 #82

    The bottom line has got to be profit otherwise there can be no future investment, no innovation, no improvements, no new customers. smile

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited April 2018 #83

    The world of leisure is changing and the likes of Easy T and many others who tour quite extensively throughout the year may well be an endangered species in years to come. People currently in work are unlikely to be able to retire early as the immediate post war generation was able to. Pensions clearly won't be as good. So time available and discretionary income could very well be totally different to what we are used to now. The Club can't wait for the current generation of members to hand up their hitch locks they have to start thinking and acting about it now whilst they have time to experiment to see what works and what doesn't work. If people think that change in not necessary just look at the Retail sector. Those retailers who have embraced change and spent time looking at the future will survive others either have not or are uncomfortably close to the edge. None of surely want the Club to be yet another "Campsites are Us" do they?

    David

  • trellis
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    edited April 2018 #84

    IMO, if the site is big enough I don't really see the problem with having a few pods dotted around. The likes of Conniston can easily take them. I'd go so far as to say if you pitched up there in certain areas ,you could easily spend a week there and not even see them. From the club's point of view they are trying to "speculate to accumulate" is this wrong ?.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2018 #85

    I think that whether we personally like pods, safari tents, or whatever, there’s no doubt that change has to come.

    We may well be happy with our cvans and MHs but the future doesn’t lie with them. You only have to look at tow cars and the anti-diesel standpoint to realise that things can’t go on as they are.

    Who knows whether we ourselves will be glad to stay in an S-Pod one day when towing a cvan or running a MH is no longer feasible. The club is proving to be forward thinking in that respect.

  • KeithandMargaret
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    edited April 2018 #86

    I don't have a Dream – but I do have a Crystel Ball.

    I see lurking in the shadows a diminutive figure from a different era.

    This often forgotten individual is looking at the business strategy of the leaders of the C&MC.

    A crack of light, a shaft of sun and inspiration crosses his brow.

    Yes, the MD of Butlins has his beady eye on the leisure sites owned by the C&MC.

    You have been warned.

    Be afraid, be very afraid.

  • Unknown
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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2018 #88

    +1 Tinster. Environmental pressures will price the big tow cars & Moho’s out of existence. Govt’s will greedily tax them massively. The future is grim for the nostalgia crowd I’m 😟.

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2018 #90

    What is currently the way could well change, DD. For example, we could see a new taxation class for MHs which wouldn’t affect white van man. There’s nothing set in stone to say the link between larger MHs and trucks will be maintained. 

  • brue
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    edited April 2018 #91

    Here's the link to these newer types of camping, it seems that Coniston is due to have ten new units by the summer. The Yurts are only on one site at the moment.

    Glamping with the Club