Pro's and con's for buying an electric vehicle

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  • Navigateur
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    edited January 2018 #212

    What happens when/if there is a ban on anything other than electric vehicles in a particular area in a town, and a hybrid, or one with a range extender, enters the area on battery power but it runs out and the internal combustion engine starts up? 

    Surely that just puts us back where we are now.

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #213

    I think hybrids have been given the ok at present, the range extender emits about 12 parts per million, not something that's used frequently, we mostly run on electric. On the motorway the rex keeps the battery levels up but a certain amount of frugality is needed otherwise the fuel could run out. It's a back up rather than something that gets used a lot. The emission levels are extremely low.

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2018 #214

    I think although Cambridge are at the forefront in most thing scientific, they are also living in the real world,surprised

  • Oneputt
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    edited January 2018 #215

    On the few occasions I visit a city, it’s park and ride for me🚌

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #216

    I think that's the general idea Oneputt, I'd probably do the same. I suppose in the end inner cities will also have electric taxis, a bit like the fleet mentioned in Cornwall by Metheven.

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #217

    The reason is to achieve government targets, EasyT.

  • Grant705
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    edited January 2018 #218

    Has a Government ever hit any targets?  surprised

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #219

    It was in a BBC news report today that three fifths of new cars sold in the next 12 years must be electric.

    For 60% of ALL car sales to be electric over the next 12 years will not happen. I assume that this was by the end of 12 years EV sales to have reached 60% of the market in new car registrations.

     

  • Oneputt
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    edited January 2018 #220

    The BBC report says 2030 whereas I seem to remember reading elsewhere that the date was 2040, whichever it is I don’t think it will apply to me cos if I haven’t shuffled off this mortal coil I certainly won’t be driving.☠️

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #221

    If you look at the links on the report the government has been forced to re-think the original plans by the courts. 

     Petrol and diesel ban, how will it work.....is the link to read.

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #222

    I think that's why we thought we'd have a go with an EV now, in ten years time never mind twenty two years, we might still be here but won't want to wrestle with the new fangled  mechanics of it..wink

  • cyberyacht
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    edited January 2018 #223

    Getting back to PCPs. ISTR Mark Carney expressing concern a month or two back at the level of indebtedness this is causing. There will doubtless be tears before bedtime.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #224

    Not according to what Mark Carney is reported as saying here. It is safe because people need their car and also it is an asset with value??? 

    Was that not the case for peoples home??

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/06/27/car-finance-boom-unlikely-crash-industry-despite-bank-england/

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #225

    That looks like a car finance industry point of view EasyT. MC has frequently raised valid concerns.

  • Fozzie
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    edited January 2018 #226

    Thats fine by me!

    It means I can have an extra pint at the Turf Tavern without having to drive!

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #227

    Another link, sorry! But NextGreenCar gives some interesting information and stats.

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #228

    Driverless cars will be available by then, Oneputt, so perhaps that might apply to you!

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #229

    That's right, EasyT. The article ends by saying it's a good thing!

  • KjellNN
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    edited January 2018 #230

    The person saying it is a good thing is in the car industry, so they would say that!

    BOE is obviously worried about it , and also about  the huge overall debt consumers are running up, a lot of it unsecured as it is overdrafts and credit card debt.

     

  • RowenaBCAMC
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    edited January 2018 #231

    Sorry if this has already been posted, but thought this article on Ford was quite interesting. They plan to introduce 40 hybrid and fully electric vehicles in its range by 2022.

  • cariadon
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    edited January 2018 #232

    There have been a good discussion on EV,  I think the main point being that at the moment they are not viable for the minority of posters.

    Do you think that caravan manufacturers will be under pressure to produce lighter caravans or Motorhomes.

    Do you think it will affect the touring holiday industry?

     

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #233

    It will be interesting if we get a reply from the club in the tow car section sticky which raised some points about the future of towing etc.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #234

    There have been a good discussion on EV, I think the main point being that at the moment they are not viable for the minority of posters.

    I think that they are not viable for the majority of posters so far. They are not presently a practical vehicle as a tow car or motor caravan. 

    As a second vehicle purchased new I do not see them as a sensible financial purchase for many second vehicle replacements for those doing under 5k a year. 

  • Oneputt
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    edited January 2018 #235

    With the amount of money and jobs connected with the industry I think governments will tread lightly around the industry for quite a while.

    The National Caravan Council (NCC) figures show that the caravan industry regularly contributes more than £6 billion per annum to the UK economy (approximately £2 billion holiday spending and £4 billion from the sale of new and used products).

    Approximately 130,000 people are employed in the industry (including part time and seasonal staff).

     

  • SteveL
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    edited January 2018 #236

    As a second vehicle purchased new I do not see them as a sensible financial purchase for many second vehicle replacements for those doing under 5k a year.

    indeed!

    Just looking at the prices of Leafs. As if we were changing, we would not want anything as small as the Smart. Using my pricing app to get a trade in for our 3 year old Yaris, the extra we would have to pay would fund our petrol usage (at current prices) for 32 years. So from a purely economic point of view👎

  • SteveL
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    edited January 2018 #237

    Perhaps we might see a similar sort of decline / time scale to the industry I was in, Coal. The figures on the chart are in thousands of employees. 

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #238

    If the Tesla can tow it won't be too long before less expensive versions come along, early days at present. The industry has to work out how to attach tow bars to non conventional frames etc. Not forgetting motorhomes, some campervans are being developed as EVs already.

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #239

    They were discussing PCPs on BBC Breakfast TV this morning. They said from a legal point of view you can hand the car back anytime without paying any extra. However, in practice, if you do hand it back, the finance company look at your mileage and if it's in excess of the contracted amount, they charge you an extra fee. If you refuse to pay it, it goes down on your credit report as a default that affects your credit rating.

    I may have a lot of debt, Kj, but it's wise debt which I look upon as a good investment because of the future savings it will bring me! 

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #240

    Settling a PCP early details (relating to negative equity.)

    see here

  • SteveL
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    edited January 2018 #241

    The major challenge I see with motorhomes will be getting the battery weight down, while maintaining a sensible range. We are currently looking at Motorhomes. There are some very unrealistic available payloads on 3.5T vehicles. As currently the weight of batteries would increase the base vehicle weight by 20 / 30%, some serious rethinking will be needed by the manufactures.