Charging electric vehicles on club pitches
Whilst a club site I observed a fellow caravaner charging his vehicle via the external socket of his caravan, is this procedure conducive with the guidance given on site leaflets "that the use of electricity should be considered to help minimise our effect on the environment", additional should extra charges be made for carrying out such procedure.
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There was a thread on this recently where approval by Head Office was expressed. It did not explain where I should collect the free to me fuel paid for by fellow members to run my vehicle though.
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I don't really see how the club can object. The inclusive charge is for electric, up to the limit of what the bollard can supply. Nowhere does it say you can't utilise the supply to its maximum. The club just make a request not to waste it. Charging an electric vehicle can hardly be considered a frivolous waste. Also any ban would have to be policed by the wardens to be effective.
I would imagine the club will monitor the affects on usage as more and more start plugging in, and make a decision on their future charging strategy. Who knows those who have been asking for metering may get their wish.☹️
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I said something along the same lines when this cropped up earlier in the year.
It will become a contentious issue as time goes on and something which needs closer scrutiny by the Club
I think I mentioned something similar to you back then in that I don't think diesel will be made available paid for out of member & site fees, in the same way EV and Hybrid owners can top up their cars.
Theres a substantial cost difference here but ultimately, if HO are allowing this to happen then we're all subsidising the running of these vehicles, for their owners.
Needs looking into
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It shows the lunacy of the whole 'save the planet' bandwagon-'save the planet by driving an Electric car', 'save electricity & save the planet', but the electric cars run on electricity, so it becomes a case of 'save the planet as long as I don't have to pay a few pennies more'. It's a big joke
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Now can any electric car tow a caravan yet? Maybe a Tesla?
But if it was a car that could not tow a caravan it either belongs to the person who paid for the pitch, if so well they have paid for the electricity as part of their fees as well as the £2 extra car per pitch fee. But if it was perhaps a visitor to that pitch that is surely not on?
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When the topic cropped up around Christmas time, a Mitsubishi PHEV with a caravan in tow was on nightly charge at M in M
I have no idea how much it costs in electricity to charge one of these from flat. However, as they become more popular, how many have to be charging overnight on a site, before those without such vehicles start thinking... hang on, are my ever increasing site fees are paying for this?
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The ones that moan about all the rest of the imagined unfair practices I reckon.
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Having no idea of the costs involved I googled it - see link here
Costs seem to vary quite a bit but if the CAMC policy is to allow vehicle charging at no separate cost to the recipient and pitch fees inevitably rise as a direct result, I for one will not be paying those increased fees and I will do what some will no doubt suggest ie go elsewhere.
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If I am reading that right, it implies it would take 100 kw hours of electricity to charge the Tesla to get a cost of £10.
It would not be possible to pull that much from the site post, even in 24 hours with nothing else running. Realistically overnight the most you could pull is about 44 kw hours. So you would have to hope it was not empty, or you would not be going far the next day.
It would mount up though, particularly in the summer, when normally folk would not be using as much from the EHU.
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"Who knows those who have been asking for metering may get their wish.☹️ "
By far the most equitable solution then no one would have cause to point out that they are subsidising others motoring costs.
IMO it would also promptly address the profligate use of electrical power that I believe the present system, unfortunately, cultures in some of my "fellow" members.
The law protects us from being unfairly charged for what metered electrical power we chose to use.
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Hi, it costs less than £1 to re-charge our PHEV from flat. A maximum of 6 hours @ 10amps. Alex.
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Rowena started a thread a week back, here's the link
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There is currently a story on BBC Scotland web page about new electric buses for Edinburgh. I quote:-
The vehicles can run for up to 130 miles, and take three to four hours to fully charge.
They are full size single deckers - would make a very nice motor caravan!
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Works out about right if you’re on a night tariff Alex.
One or two of these vehicles on a site per night is hardly going to change the current consumption to the Club for that individual site, but as numbers increase and more vehicles start plugging in to site EHU’s, the costs to the Club will soon start to mount up.
If these costs are then loaded on to some already expensive site fees, a whole new debate will be on the cards.
On the flip side, if the Club were to look at metering sites, that’s a huge expense too. You would expect site fees to fall if metering came in but as the capital cost has to be covered, I suspect the fees would remain static.
A financial balancing act for the Club in the coming years.
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Only suitable for time-rich pensioners though. It would taker a long time to get anywhere distant.
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Perhaps this quote is less than relevant, but if it is seen that members are actually being charged for others to have free fuel, then I would suggest others would join Rocky as ex members and use other sites.
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Are you suggesting members should consider leaving the Club if they have genuine concerns about the future of fair electrical usage and it’s possible effect on fees?
Given the other thread you have just started... nope, not going to rise to it, I shall remain calm
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Go for the run first.
There is already a post on this thread to that effect, and my comment is justified. If folk feel they are paying more than they should be charged, then they may choose to spend their money elsewhere. The club are no longer the cheapest, several AS sites offer better value along with many commercial sites. If cost is a major factor in deciding which site to choose, then the CAMC may loose custom.
If the cost of pitches does not alter then it may be pointed out that we are being overcharged for the electricity already.
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Forums are forums, people are people. If you want a kindergarten experience then you may choose to join one. The reason all forums have moderators is because it is factual that we all have different personalities, all have differing levels before steam comes out of the ears, it is a fact of life and is controlled by management very well thank you.
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How could the club object to charging an electric car when they support eco projects the person on that pitch has paid above and beyond for what they may use i am sure that we all pay for more electric than we use but never get a rebate. This may be a good time for the club to look at metering instead of a set daily rate this way we all will closer at what we leave on through the day and night.
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The CMC will definitely need to rethink their electricity site distribution to cater for Electric cars and Motorhomes.
The Tesla Supercharger which charges in 1 hour is the best in the world today. It is a 480 volt system which allows a much better range before recharging.
Tesla is setting the standard for no-emission electric propulsion and to be sure other manufacturers will do their best to catch up.
So CMC ,might be a good idea to start planning for the All Electric revolution.-------------- Now
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Or at least within the next 40years.
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