Uncontrolled dogs.
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Whether they are lovely dogs or not, whether they are well controlled or not...I just don't want to be on a campsite with three or four bull terriers close by, and I certainly don't want to take my grandchildren into that situation. It doesn't happen anywhere else I go, in UK or Europe, and as I said yesterday it's one of the reasons why I don't patronise Club sites these days.
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For anyone reading this and thinking that commercial sites might be dog free havens, we stayed at the highly regarded Ross Park earlier this year. More dogs there than I've ever seen on a club site ..... but maybe the atmosphere was improved by being asked at check in if we had dogs, given a bonio for both of them and the fact that pooh bags were available at various points around the site. And a hugh enclosed dog exercise area. And the dog shower area. Like club sites, dogs are welcomed and not charged for.
It's not the numbers which are important, it's the welcome they receive in exchange for the expectation that everyone arriving with dogs will be respectful of all other guests, dog owners or not.(In the same way that those arriving without dogs are expected to be respectful of fellow guests sharing their holiday with their dogs).
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You say these days ET. How far back are you going. I can't say I have noticed any significant changes in numbers in the 12 years we have been members. Dogs aren't really my thing but can't say we have had any major issues, that I would consider reporting to the warden, on site. Off site a different matter OH ended up for 8 days in Abergavenny General after being attacked when we last visited Brecon. That one was never a problem, hence why they should always be on leads on site.
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Have never been asked if we have a dog, mIght be because SWMBO tends to get out of the car and let our wee Yorkie stretch her legs while I book in so the wardens may well have seen them. I would also say I am probably asked for my membership once for every 3 stays at club sites, maybe I have a very honest face😂
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I have never been asked if I have dogs but often offer the information as the C &CC ask and note it down I think. Seems sensible to know where the dogs are. But if it ever came to charging I would walk away.
It seems a great shame if people are avoiding sites because of irresponsible dog owners - but there seem to be very few sites on any network that don't allow them. It sounds like time for the Club to do something about it i.e enforce the rules. When I first started with the Club I was really scared of being banned for breaching any rules - dogs, children or anything - I suspect it takes quite a breach for any action to be taken these days?
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"It seems a great shame if people are avoiding sites because of irresponsible dog owners...."
Pippa, seems pretty logical to me....if it were irresponsible parents, or drivers or noisy guests or any other characteristic of a site (or group of sites) most sensible folk might consider going elsewhere.
folk are readily told to 'do so' when it comes to prices. so why not also vote with your wheels if CC cant apply the 'dog' rules sufficiently well to ensure that sites that welcome dogs also equally welcomes those who might not feel as comfortable as some around them.
seeing dogs off leads or having a crafty pre breakfast dump on your pitch would certainly make a lot of non dog owners consider their options.
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If people wish to be surrounded by/ accompanied by dogs then perhaps Crufts would be a better destination. There does appear to be something of an obsession with matters canine within the CAMC.
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I think the "obsession" is amongst a small number of posters on CT actually, CY. We've never experienced any animosity on club sites in all the years we've been using them but maybe that's because we socialise and chat with our neighbours rather than sitting mouldering and building up grudges to hammer out on our keyboards when we get back home!
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That's rather snipey, CY.
It's not even attempting the wit which is your usual benchmark.
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Having been to a lot of club sites and at various times of the year, I mean down through the years, I really have not had any issues with dogs, perhaps oa few times I've seen dog 'deposits' but I've actually seen far more on public streets and parks. And at least the I've seen wardens being told about them and promptly picking them up (with gloves I might add).
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Perhaps I was feeling a bit wuff last night.
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Perhaps you haven't experienced any animosity Moulesy, maybe because I for one wouldn't want to confront any dog owner again, because in the past it has resulted in an unfavourable response. Dog owners can be very protective and cannot always understand how anyone would not like their dog and everything it does. It doesn't mean that those that don't like dogs don't exist, I know several people. I tolerate them because I have to.... but I have no interest in them whatsoever, and will also chat to neighbours quite happily.
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We and numerous of our friends plus many other animal friendly people tend to find that the majority of those of the population who are "scared" of dogs are also normally wary of any other type of animal, could it be that it goes back generations of parents telling their children not go near as they might get hurt, instead of a more positive attitude towards animals?
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However, JVB with a lot of other animals you are given a choice wether you interact with them. You don't have to go through a field of cows, or young steers. I also consider it wise to be wary of any animals of this size. Incidentally we now tend to avoid groups of steers, if at all possible, after almost being trampled by a very boisterous bunch. Even with wild animals, in this country at least, most will go out of there way to avoid you, if they see or here you coming. That is not always the case for the domesticated dog.
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It would be wise for all parents/guardians to be wary of Dogs on their charges behalf, be they leashed or running free. No 2 Dogs are the same, the most quiet & steady of Dogs may react badly to a number of small Humans running towards them squealing or catching them unawares. My 2 Grandchildren have grown up in their short lives with my 2 Dogs sleeping next to them, yet they have both been taught not to approach any Dogs they don't know. Always ask the owner if the Dog is approachable. The oft used saying-'they've never snapped like that before' is not acceptable if a Child is bitten. My Dogs put me between themselves & anyone they don't know, once they see positive interaction then they will approach them. Not clever, just common sense.
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Well, we do at least agree that the onus is on owners to accept and abide by the rules, as the vast majority unquestionably do.
But if anyone, dog owner or not, sees rules being flouted I'd think it sensible to report it at the time, rather than making the sort of blanket statements seen so often on the forum. The danger being that this simply alienates those who do respect the rules.
Tighter rules - such as? No point in that; what is needed is stricter enforcement of the existing rules
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As we've often witnessed, arguements can boil down to interpretation of 'rules' and often folk, rightly or not, will spin that interpretation to fit their wishes. Really it should all be about responsible reasonableness. However, quite often we find selfishness and thoughtlessness are the root of disharmony rather than an interpretation of a particular rule.
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I think sometimes you need to check out people's views on dogs, the OP has raised this before see here
It's probably always best to solve an issue at the time it occurs, either personally or with those in charge otherwise it can just be regarded as an ongoing complaint as a bystander. We could all do that, we all see things sometimes which we don't particularly like but you either behave in a proactive way to sort it or you are just an observer, complaining but doing nothing.
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Chas, that wouldn't be Oska on the left.....?
mind you, im not very good at identifying dogs....
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