What next... electric cars capable of towing

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  • birderbilly
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    edited October 2017 #62

    That really is a ridiculous view - regardless of how much pollution is made producing a product it still makes sense to minimise the pollution it generates during use and there is absolutely no evidence that producing an EV is more polluting than producing a "conventional" vehicle.  As to Hybrids they are just a stop gap - a way to ease consumers into EVs, in 10 years time they will be a thing of the past.

  • brue
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    edited October 2017 #63

    The earlier hybrids will probably be eased out but for short journeys they are fuel efficient. When our own oil stocks start to dwindle, which is already happening,  we will need to avoid being dependent on imports and have alternative means of transport etc. Since buying an electric car we have found it to be very efficient, no more big monthly fuel bills (we are high mileage) and minimum charge costs. Our motorhome costs now seem very high in comparison.

  • brue
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    edited October 2017 #64

    There are no gears in an electric car, the acceleration is immediate and good. Just another difference to note. 

  • Landlubber
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    edited November 2017 #65

    I don't use the caravan in the UK anymore and now I have the time I go to the South of France where it is warm, relaxed, inexpensive and with a wide variety of sites. I do not replace the van on whims of how new it is and travel light with a simple two birth and bikes strapped to it. My Peugeot 407 purrs along at 60mph and returns 30 mpg on silky smooth roads with little congestion and never short of proper stopping aires on route.  When they put the brakes on this adventure i'll just move there if it has not been overrun by migrants - like me.tongue-out  

  • PITCHTOCLOSE
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    edited November 2017 #66

    The future of towing is going to end, not many tour anymore,drag it to a pitch and leave it there drag it back,so they move to a season let less dragging till in the end They will book a static when they need one or a pod (pods are on the increase) and there is the future ,all site's will be pods or similar with elec charging points for the three wheeled car.

    you will go to a museum and see a caravan and say hey kids your grand dad had one of them,grandad will not be there though he is down at the Barry island of caravans trying to preserve a sprite major.😄😄😄

  • hitchglitch
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    edited November 2017 #67

    If you use UK Club sites then I can understand that view as they are not "touring" sites.  In high season you have to book months ahead and a lot of people stay for weeks rather than days so a static or other option can look attractive.  Go overseas, however, and you will have a totally contrary view.  Roads and sites are less congested and you will see thousands of Dutch and other nationalities touring all over Europe in caravans and motorhomes. I can only see it getting more popular rather than less.

  • Kennine
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    edited November 2017 #68

    A bleak future for Tuggers then.  Still, with the growth in smaller Motorhomes and Van Conversions we are likely to see a real increase in actual touring. A small electric  motorhome would be perfect for the touring fraternity. 

    In fact it has been said, that changing the name to the CMC could be to enable Grimstead to adapt easily to the future. " The Campervan and Motorhome Club" sounds about right. 

    wink 

  • Lutz
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    edited November 2017 #69

    If it's some consolation, all Teslas (well, at least all X models, I don't know about the others) are fitted ex-works with towbars.

  • John4703
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    edited December 2017 #70

    Tesla have demonstrated an electric HGV with a range of 500 miles and fairly fast recharging.

    It seems that the possibility of an electric car that will tow is getting closer.  I'd like one that can be very slowly charged over several days.  I tend to drive, unhitch my caravan, park the car and the car does not move for a week or so as we walk anywhere we need from the site.  A charger that only draws maybe 5 amps would suit me, it might take the week to recharge the car but I'd still have 11 amps for everything else in the caravan.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2017 #71

    You’d get your car charged free and obviously you’d never need to go anywhere in an emergency. You know that because you have a crystal ball.

    Good one, John. I’ve sussed you now. Well done.wink

     

  • SELL
    SELL Forum Participant Posts: 398
    edited December 2017 #72

    although not pure electric the new Volvo XC60 hybrid has a towing limit of 2100 kilos, need deep pockets though starting price of a touch under £57000

  • indoors
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    edited December 2017 #73

    What goes around comes around, we'll all have to start camping !

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2017 #74

    Cheaper than most motor caravans,   with a lot more flexibiltywink

  • John4703
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    edited December 2017 #75

    I've been camping or caravaning since I was 3 years old and I can only remember one time in those 68 years having an emergency that meant using my car (or my father using his car).  On that occasion I was only 60 miles from home so an electric car would have had plenty of charge left.

  • Spriddler
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    edited December 2017 #76

    And after everyone has changed to electric cars no doubt the save-the-worm brigade and brown bread and sandals scientists will discover that the electrical radiation causes impotence or that Lithium ion batteries make your teeth drop out.

    Then 15 years later they'll discover that electric power is safe after all.

    Been there with the promotion of diesels.

    wink

  • fur ball
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    edited December 2017 #77

    I think new technology will not only make ev better but they will become cheaper. However first before any investment on products and infrastructure happens we're going to need a government that doesn't change its mind for 22 year's. Well that's  cleared that up nothing to worry about. 

  • rayjsj
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    edited January 2019 #78

    No-one is singing from the same hymn sheet, even the electrical car charging connectors are not to a recognised  common design.

  • hitchglitch
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    edited January 2019 #79

    I took delivery of my new i3 before Xmas. So quiet, so smooth, so nippy. 20 moving parts total, no gear box, no engine, no oil, hardly any maintenance. I’ve seen the future and it’s electric! 

  • lornalou1
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    edited January 2019 #80

    no thanks at 35k+, but saying that, there's a lot more money in the south.  

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2019 #81

    Don't you believe it! yell

    Rude, too.😖

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2019 #82

    Well, they've hidden it from me then surprised

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2019 #83

    It just seems we have more money as the difference with OOP North is with our deep pockets we have evolved to have arms long enough to reach into themwink

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2019 #84

    As a couple whose non towing car does about 1500 miles a year I can't say that the I3 really appeals

  • hitchglitch
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    edited January 2019 #85

    It’s not £35k (£3.5k government subsidy) and there are excellent second hand ones. I will probably keep it 10 years plus so it’s not a bad investment. No tax, 160 to the gallon equivalent. You need to look at the whole picture.

  • rayjsj
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    edited January 2019 #86

    Yes, but what can the i3 tow ?

    and how much do the batteries cost to replace ?

    doubt they will last 10 years plus.

    and is there enough lithium in the world...and where is it?

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2019 #87

    Depends on your expected mileage and usage. 

  • compass362
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    edited January 2019 #88

    Perhaps pulling a caravan with a horse 🐴 ......will make a comeback .😘

  • Wildwood
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    edited January 2019 #89

    The batteries cost a small fortune at the moment, although this should be lower as time goes on.

    Tesla guarantee them for 10 years but I do not know the terms. For other makes you would have to check before buying.

    The cost of the electricity used is far less than for petrol or diesel though which has to be offset against the cost of the batteries.

  • brue
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    edited January 2019 #90

    BMW guarantee the batteries for 8 years, they are modular, I've said previously imagine a pack of dominoes laid in a rectangle on the chassis. The ideas being developed are that "cells" can be individually replaced. EVs are a completely different in design and construction. You have to leave behind the combustion engine concept.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2019 #91

    The cost of the electricity used is far less than for petrol or diesel though which has to be offset against the cost of the batteries.
     

    Depending on annual mileage