Petrol and Diesel Cars to be Banned by 2040
Is this the end of caravan, with the news diesels and petrol engines cars will not be available to buy after the year 2040, I cant see electric vehicles having the power to tow large caravans any real distance and what about a motorhome's does the government realise what they are proposing, and what it will do to the caravan industry I don't think they have thought this one through can you imagine how big the vehicle would have to be to carry enough battery's to tow a twin wheel caravan and all that goes with it some of these moterhome's would weigh 5 ton I think a E petition should be set up by the caravan club so this can be heard in the house of commons and be debated properly they are forcing people of the road these electric vehicles will not be as cheap as the vehicles you can buy now the mind boggles
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We live in 'interesting' times it seems. Currently the government plan, and it is just that, a plan, is an aspirational one, please pardon the pun, to tackle air pollution in the future. The plan does not advocate an outright and future total ban on either deisel or petrol engines but just those worst polluting ones. However it does talk of a possible ban on all from the worst pollution effected areas.
The notion that this will speed up electric vehicle research is real it seems. The car manufacturers today are certainly driven by those potential markets in India and particularly China whose governments also are currently acting proactively in the area of pollution reduction.
As for caravans, tow vehicles and motorhome in 20 years hence, who knows? Maybe that research will determine direction/fate to a very large degree,
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I'll be well into my nineties by then. My environmental impact will more likely be a problem for the crematorium rather than any vehicle I might own.
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In light of all the confusion this announcement has caused, Lunar have released picture of their 2039 single & twin axle models
Coachman, however have decided they will take a different approach
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I suspect the engineers and scientists will step up to the job and crack the vehicle issues.
Where I see huge problems is in developing the infrastructure to generate and distribute the amounts of electrical energy needed to take over that obtained from the fossil fuels, by 2040.
Not so much the technical ones, but getting governments and developers to put up front the funds, and communities to accept the building of the facilities to achieve those generation and distribution tasks.
We have talked for over 23 years about building a few nuclear power plants, this tasks is way bigger than that.
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I agree, tons of pollution from aircraft and more too from shipping and some trains. However, they are measuring pollution at street level, and at street level its the wheeled vehicles who's concentration of exhausts are aimed directly at pedestrians and workers. In Victorian times is was the huge amount of horses waste that was the problem, so not that dissimilar. Its the sheer concentration of people and vehicles into a few small areas of our land that is the underlying issue.
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I hope planes are not included, this service is due to be launched soon
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As to the infrastructure shouldn't the first step be to insist that all service stations have a bank of charging points after all they won't need so many pumps by then will they.
Alison
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Do they make hybrid lorries yet ?
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Yes, hybrid buses are already on our roads and HGV's are currently undergoing testing.
Iveco currently have CNG powered trucks in their range.
In the future, there will be more satellite distribution depots constructed around built up areas and city centres, lorries will drop on the outskirts and electric/hybrid vans will complete deliveries.
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These proposals to ban sales of NEW petrol and diesel car sales by 2040 will initially see the value of those traditionally powered cars still on the roads, rise in value.
Then, after a further number of years, we will become like Cuba, in that all resources will be found to keep petrol and diesel cars running for as long as possible. Whilst this ambitious projection is sending out all kinds of scare stories, diesel and petrol will remain the greatest source of vehicle power for many years beyond 2040.
You can't scrap 40 million fossil fuelled cars in the space of 20 or so years and it'll be at least another 10-15 years beyond 2040 before electric vehicle numbers start to overtake older fuelled cars.
By which time, most of us will be 6ft under.
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I hope some thought goes in to the logistics of having facilties to re charge these vehicles.For eg. in streets of terraced houses will be space outside your house be only to be used by the house owner? what if there is 2 or more cars at the house. .Will there be charge bollards outside each house. what if you live in a flat/high rise? and finally how are we going to generate all the electricity to charge all these vehicles? Like cyberyacht i will be too old to be bothered.
RIP the internal combustio engine.
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Let us not forget that the club entire network will have to be rewired to provide charging facilities. Currently the maximum load is 16 amps; just enough for a small EV charging over 10 - 15 hours, but the existing system will not support everyone taking 16 amps and in addition there is the load for the caravan to allow for.
Surely the club should carry out some road tests on EV's and Hybrids to highlight the situation.
The I mech E carried out an investigation last year and found 50% of lorries were travelling empty; surprise!!. They also found that a huge proportion of lorry journeys were within a 70 mile radius of Liverpool. Why allow lorries to travel from Dover to Manchester/Birmingham. Could they not go on a train overnight like the 'tunnel train'?
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The move to diesel a few years back was a political decision that ignored the glaring fact that diesels were dirty. Now we have another headline grabbing political decision that whilst encouraging development ignores some of the science. No one has mentioned the pollution caused by trying to dispose of all those batteries at the end of their very short life.
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Just read a short article in one of the Sunday papers saying that whilst the price of used Diesel cars has shown a drop since the announcement actual sales are increasing.
Read what you like into it.
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This Govt change of attitude towards diesels is farcical!
Why if diesels are so evil have the Dept for transport decided that they cannot complete the electrification of the Main Paddington to Swansea and Paddington to Plymouth main rail lines and have now instructed Hitachi to fit all of their new class 800 Electric trains with Diesel engines?
This is no false story, I live next to the depot that is doing the work. and have been in to watch the work being carried out. Each 5 car set will have 3 x 21 Litre Maybach engines fitted so that they can be used on the huge areas of the line that they have run out of money to electrify!
You wouldn't believe it if it was written in a novel!
TF
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Electric cars will certainly have the power to tow a caravan because they produce a lot of torque from zero revs, the problem is battery range which has not progressed sufficiently in the last 150 years and the lack of of convenient charging points.
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Me thinks that the car manufacturers will have a huge bearing on this subject. I don't think they will just stand around and let it happen.
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Quite true. They have an immensely powerful lobby and I would therefore expect the net outcome to be a compromise (Euro 10 emissions standards for internal combustion engines which may require hybrid techniques in order to ensure fulfilment?)
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There is almost a quarter of a century to go before 2040 and there will be massive changes in battery technology before that time. Consider all of the technological changes there has been since the 1990's and consider the pace of change - how changes are becoming more and more rapid. I have no doubt at all that by 2040 the technology will be there.
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Be very interesting to see when & IF our wonderful government, royalty, police, rescue services take the step to use electric vehicles. I very much doubt it in near future.
I also cannot figure out where all the tax money is going to come from with no road tax (No chance), no fuel tax and most of all I am totally sure we will not be able to generate enough electricity to satisfy the need, if we can guess what cost will be!!
All countries are concerned about employment, how many jobs will be lost in oil industry alone, also how will our food service cope with no vans going about.
Another brainwave from those in power.
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As it stands at the moment, the cut off point to buy a new diesel, petrol or hybrid vehicle is 2040 with the possibility of bringing it forward to 2035. The use of these type of vehicles is not banned. There might even be a surge of people buying new cars before the cut off date. However, I suspect that the price per litre will rise considerably around this time.
The key words here are “As it stands at the moment”.
Governments are well known for moving the goalposts as we all know, and as it’s likely they haven’t thought of everything yet, things could become worse for the leisure industry and its customers.
Also a change of government opens up the chance of a change of policy. Whatever happens it will come at a huge cost to the motorist and the caravanner. There is a lot of revenue to be lost from fuel.
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Last nights news-‘Mr Johnson would like to see the ban in 2032’😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, good luck with that Bojo. HS2 will empty the coffers without all electric UK🙄🙄
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I'm thinking of buying a second hand Volvo V60 diesel electric hybrid to do my short daily trips on electric and be able to tow our caravan with MTPLM of 1500 kg. You seem to pay a lot more for the d6 and I wonder if the extra power is needed. Has anyone any experience with the d5 or d6 version they could share?
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