Be Prepared as Essex Police stop Caravans on A12

The Bridges
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edited May 2017 in Towcars & Towing #1

ALMOST 40 drivers have been stopped during a roads policing operation in Chelmsford targeting vehicles towing caravans and trailers.

Officers were stopping vehicles at the Boreham Interchange at Junction 19 on the A12.

In total 39 vehicles were stopped during the operation including 13 towing trailers, 19 towing caravans, two vans and three cars.

Of the vehicles towing caravans or trailers, 12 were found to have faults.

Four of those had either incorrectly fitted or no breakaway cables fitted at all. £50 fines were given and immediate prohibitions put in place on the trailers until a cable was fitted.

Some of the tyres fitted were over the recommended five years and leaflets and advice were given about changing these as soon as possible.

Five vehicles towing caravans or trailers were found to have no extendable mirrors fitted and were fine £50.

The drivers were found to be driving otherwise in accordance with their licence, fined £100 and given three points on their licence.

 
Four drivers were dealt with for using mobile phone behind the wheel.

Three fines of £100 were given out to drivers for index plate offences on trailers.

One van was also found to be over its allowed 3.5 tonne weight limit and the driver was fined a total of £300.

Pc Gary Winfield, of Essex Police’s Casualty Reduction Unit, said: “This was a successful operation, helping to keep Essex’s roads safe.

“Whilst these appear relatively small issues they still pose a risk.

“Any defect of a car, any caravan or trailer not attached properly, or any vehicle overweight could potentially pose a danger other road users.

“This operation highlights that Essex Police is determined to tackle these issues and anyone flouting the law will be dealt with.

“Road traffic collisions can have a devastating impact on those affected and we all have a responsibility to keep the county’s roads safe.”
 

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  • Bakers2
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    edited May 2017 #3

    Well said TF

  • Extugger
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    edited May 2017 #4

    Ditto

    Totally agree with all the above. IMHO, the fines should be much, much heavier too. Surely towing a caravan without extendable mirrors, or without a breakaway cable is driving without due care and attention?

    We've all seen family saloons driving in the opposite direction on the M6 towing a twin-axle with the rear end of the car virtually touching the tarmac. It's nearly as stupid as using a mobile phone whilst driving.

    Hopefully the Police and VOSA will step up their efforts this year in a more coordinated and widespread policy to rid the roads of the idiots. Those who do take the trouble to be legal and safe will then, hopefully, not have to endure 7 or 8 hour tailbacks, caused by the aforementioned.

     

  • EmilysDad
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    edited May 2017 #5

    're break-away cables. The term used was missing or incorrectly fitted cable ...... we have various opinions on the gorum of how it should or shouldn't be fitted. 

    And 5 plus year old tyres can only be advisory.

    And the rules 're thev3.5 tonne limit for newer drivers could be clearer otherwise people wouldn't be asking about 'towing licences' when there's no such thing.

  • Oneputt
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    edited May 2017 #6

    Isn't this a repeat of a story a few weeks ago?

    I can see the subject of trailer MOT's coming to the fore again

  • triky auto
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    edited May 2017 #7

    surprised Oh !! You should see some of the decrepid trailers that arrive at the boatyard ,with boats on them !!  !! Breakaway cables ?? some hope !! Brakes ?? some hope !! lighting boards ?? ??  ??  yell.

  • Milothedog
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    edited May 2017 #8

    Tyers are an interesting topic.

    How many owners be it  Car, Caravan, Motorhome etc understand about date codes and know how to read them.  I would suggest a very small percentage.

    I would also suggest that most drivers, when they have new tyres fitted, just pay the bill and assume what they have paid for are new as in recently manufactured, with cars it's probably the case but in the case of caravan tyres that are not really high volume fast moving parts. For instance, lets say a major caravan service centre buy's in a stock of popular sizes and the more they buy the bigger the discount they get so make more markup on them. They may have had them in stock for 18 months before they are fitted to your caravan and they may have already been a year old when the caravan dealer bought them from their supplier.  

    Food for thought surprised 

  • Milothedog
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    edited May 2017 #9

    Unlikely I think.

    Not official yet, but will be announced after the general election and implemented in may 2018.

    Cars built before 1977 will be exempted for the MOT test, at the moment it only applies to pre 1960 .

    There is also talk of new cars being extended to 4 years for the first test.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited May 2017 #10

    But when fitted to a car, tyres will likely be worn out before you need to think about how old it is. A tyre sat around at Michelin/Pirelli etc will have been stored correctly, and the date fitted will have as much significance as the date manufactured.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited May 2017 #11

    Plod and VOSA are to be commended for the excersie, but I wonder how many caravaning 'idiots' are to be blamed for scattering their caravan across 3 lanes of a motorway. Last time out with the caravan we were very nearly taken out by a Mercedes Sprinter van driver trying to retrieve sonething from his passenger foot well. Trouble was, as he leaned over, he turned the steering wheel too. He came within a couple of feet of us despite me brakihg hard & swerving. It pays sometimes to have a large 4x4 as a tow car.

  • Milothedog
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    edited May 2017 #12

    I fully agree, but my post  was more aimed at caravans and awareness by caravan owners cool

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2017 #13

    I would think that a written off caravan is more likely to have been caused by the person towing, be it bad maintenance or loading, than some other person😈

  • MichaelT
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    edited May 2017 #14

    Five vehicles towing caravans or trailers were found to have no extendable mirrors fitted and were fine £50.

    As far as I am a ware this in itself is not illegal, the requirement is to be able to see down the side of the trailer in a set area.

  • flatcoat
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    edited May 2017 #16

    Happened to me on M25 last year with some presumably blind richardhead in a white Leon FR, just a mile or so after passing an overturned caravan in the middle/outer lane. That outfit looked like a sensibly set up van and car driven by a mature couple, no idea how it had happened but at the time we crawled past the police still hadn't arrived. I am seriously considering getting a dash-camera..... I got pulled over 3 years ago on our way to Dover. The 13 pin plug had worked ever so slightly lose such we had no tail lights on the van. A car driver had seen we were not showing brake or indicators so called the police who chased after us and flagged us down. They were very friendly, helpful and realised it was a genuine error. We sorted out the connection and we were on our way, no fine or caution. 

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2017 #17

    You do not need to be towing for any of those things to happen ,but as I am sure TF will advise defensive driving and reading the road normaly over comes the problem of "cretins"😈

  • triky auto
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    edited May 2017 #18

    wink Or in "Yachtie " speak ,,,,collision avoidance !!

  • EmilysDad
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    edited May 2017 #19

    True. But a wobbly box on the back of a tow car might affect your chances of avoiding them.

    Reading between your lines suggest that the problems might lie with me. Reading the road doesn't stop a HGV pulling out onto a roundabout that I'm already on, neither did it stop the f***wit in the Sprinter van above, or a prat that pulled left into my lane at great speed because she was leaving the motorway a few yards ahead. 

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2017 #20

    Sounds as if you are a "cretin"magnet😯

  • commeyras
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    edited May 2017 #21

    Steady Guys!

  • Extugger
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    edited May 2017 #22

    As long as we all remember to treat every other road user as an imbecile, hopefully we'll all reach our pitches safely and enjoy the delights of our 'towed boxes!'

    As a footnote, does anyone else play the 'how many caravans will we see on this journey?' 

  • tigerfish
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    edited May 2017 #23

    As JVB66 suggested "Defensive Driving" is what I was taught from a very early age.  I passed my test in 1962, and since then have driven in very many different Countries, for over 1.3 million miles. I became a Police class 1 driver in 1974.

    Since that time I have had no accidents, or suffered any convictions or offences. I believe implacably that the most important skill of all drivers is what I call "Situational awareness" - the ability to sense what is happening about you, and what other drivers are doing.

    I am 72 now, still doing about 12k per year, towing about 3k.  But I sense that my skills are starting to decay, and in about 2 years time I suspect that will surrender the license that I am so proud of. I promised myself that when I surrender it, it will be as clean as the day I received it, And I will not risk that position.

    TF

  • Milothedog
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    edited May 2017 #24

    "I am 72 now, still doing about 12k per year, towing about 3k. But I sense that my skills are starting to decay, and in about 2 years time I suspect that will surrender the license."

    That seems a bit harsh on yourself TF. Could you not just get yourself booked in with someone like the Advanced Drivers people and sit an assessment. ?

  • groovy cleaner
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    edited May 2017 #25

    Happens to me all the time and I'm not towing ,I drive a camper which is only small but I use it as my everyday car ,so when folk see it it's like a red flag to them I get overtaken undertaken ,had some idiot in a pick up truck on my right in the middle lane on the M62 ,when suddenly he pulled in front of me and went off to my left ,outside my house even thought it's a built up area is 40 MPH I am always getting overtaken It's like ohh it's a camper van must get past it it's going slow ,I do not drive slow just at the correct speed on whichever road I am on that the time !!!!

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2017 #26

    TF I am 3yrs older than you and do about 9000 miles a year Buses and Trains do the rest,is it your back that makes you want to give up?i tend to need to move arround more when driving but much less than when we had motor caravans with their much firmer ride

  • Wildwood
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    edited May 2017 #27

    Not sure about the in correctly fitted breakaway cable point as there was an earlier thread where the governments own inspectors got it wrong so exactly what they regarded as correct may need to be clarified.

    As for the rest then these are clear breaches of the legal requirements and those caught deserve all they got.

    I do wonder how targeted they were or if this was a random stop. I have interviewed police many times in connection with accidents and what was clear that the more common stops of commercial vehicles was they were generally not random but targeted. They were looking for older lorries, those that looked to be in poorer condition or overloaded or operators with a record of problems so any statistics people tried to get from them would not be accurate. If the police were looking for problem outfits they might have increased the yield that way.

  • tigerfish
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    edited May 2017 #28

    Milo.  Perhaps I should have said, that I have been an IAM member for nearly 20 Years!

    To answer those who question why I said I might hand my license in in a couple of years, It is merely that I have seen far too many drivers go on for far too long.  I never want to be in the position whereby someone suggests to me that its time to give up.  So I suppose that what I really meant was, that as soon as I detect a lessening of my skills to any real extent, I will not risk spoiling my record.  

    To JVB, no its not my back.  Driving is actually the most pain free activity that I retain.

    TF

  • Randomcamper
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    edited May 2017 #29
  • EmilysDad
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    edited May 2017 #30

    My Dad has nearly 8 yrs on you Brian,  & I'm quite happy to be a passenger in his car. I'd  say there was no reason to surrender your  licence  (Americans have a license innocent) just yet. cool

  • tigerfish
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    edited May 2017 #31

    MM Good point !  Also your comment re Licence. Really don't know how I missed that one, relied too much on spell checker I suspect.

     

    TF