Who owns the 'club'

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  • Firedragon
    Firedragon Forum Participant Posts: 509
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    edited February 2017 #32

    Thomas Coke, the 8th Earl of Leicester, not exactly what you'd call a well known character that you would associate with leisure

     

    Actually he is a caravanner and a family man, so I would expect him to appreciate his leisure time wouldn't you ?

     I'd rather that than yet another TV personality chosen just because they are known for liking outdoor pursuits like walking but don't own a caravan or motorhome.

     

    Alison

     

     

     

  • JayEss
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    edited February 2017 #33

    He does own a caravan site and has a caravan...

    I'm not a fan of the other club's president, much preferred her predecessor and left the club soon after her appointment but I don't know why a new president is needed at all. Especially a 'marmite' one. 

     Crossed posts with Alison 

  • GodivaNige
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    edited March 2017 #34

    I'll take the hit on this and be happy to be shot down, if he's an active caravanner then great.

    I had to look him up though, he's not exactly at the forefront of Club life

  • Boff
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    edited March 2017 #35

    His Lordship is a caravanner, at least it said he owns an Airstream.  Question is, is he a member of the Caravan Club?

    25.4 The President and the Vice-Presidents need not be members of the Club

    The biographies of the the President and Vice President, prove that they are the sort of chaps to lead us forward into the brave new world we have been promised

    President and Vice Presidents

  • dmiller555
    dmiller555 Forum Participant Posts: 717
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    edited March 2017 #36

    Why not ask your questions at head office and if you don't get a satisfactory answer then raise them at the AGM instead of speculating here. 

    I see that my liability is limited to £1 which is all i need to know. 

  • Pathfinder
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    edited March 2017 #37

    I asked a very similar question on here some months back and the post got removed/ Deleted User.

    So would members of 'the club get a share in the assets?

  • Rocky 2 buckets
    Rocky 2 buckets Forum Participant Posts: 7,101
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    edited March 2017 #38

    That was answered back up the thread I believesmile

  • GodivaNige
    GodivaNige Forum Participant Posts: 606
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    edited March 2017 #39

    Unless you are a Full Member of the Club, you are not a guarantor and you do not have a Liability.

    A Club Member (those that pay a subscription of £49 a year) is not a Full Member

    As in the case when the RAC was sold, it is extremely unlikely that ordinary members will receive any share of monies should the Club ever be sold.

  • brue
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    edited March 2017 #40

    As previously said. The Articles of Association hold all the details.

    see here

  • Boff
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    edited March 2017 #41

    I think that you are mistaken. I believe that a person paying their membership becomes a full member.  I think that a full member effectively holds one share in the club.  One of the reasons I say this was I complained that because I am the family member, my wife is the first named member I cannot login properly to the website to make for example a booking in my name. The explanation given centred arround there only being one full member per family membership. The person giving the explanation was Mr G Chamberlian.

    byelaws. If you look at the attached link you will see that the definitions of both Family and Joint members imply that they are attached to a full membership.  

  • GodivaNige
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    edited March 2017 #42

    Referring to the Articles of Association, Full Members are required to apply to the Directors and be approved

    11.2.2 accepts that, as a Full Member, he will be a member of the Company;

    11.2.3 applies to the Company in the form required by the Directors; and

    11.2.4 is approved by the Directors.

    11.3 An application to become a Full Member may be approved or rejected by the Directors and no applicant shall be admitted as a Full Member or to membership of the Company unless their application has been approved by the Directors.

    11.4 The Directors may refuse to admit any person to Club Membership of any kind, without assigning a reason for so doing.

    This may just be legal speak, but if what you are saying is correct, has anyone applied to the Directors when joining? 

    If what you are saying is true and all first named applicants to join the Club are considered Full Members, then I CAN see why people are questioning why there wasn't notification for the rebranding and renaming of the Club given, with an opportunity to vote in a General Meeting. Given that Full Members can vote and according to the AofA, should be notified of pending General Meetings along with the AGM, to allow that voting opportunity.

  • brue
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    edited March 2017 #43

    Yes, you've got it!   Whether members could have had a say, maybe just a yes or no vote? I don't know what the precedents are in other organisations but some obviously feel aggrieved by this omission process over the name change.

     

  • EasyT
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    edited March 2017 #44

    I am not aggrieved about no vote just about no info

  • Boff
    Boff Forum Participant Posts: 1,742
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    edited March 2017 #45

    I agree with EasyT it is the total lack of transparency that agrieves me.  It would have been a golden opportunity to get the members involved in looking for a future direction.   Instead it's the same old same old. 

  • dmiller555
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    edited March 2017 #46

    As Full Members we pass over the day to day running of the club to the committee and the hired help. They have informed us of the changes. 

  • EasyT
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    edited March 2017 #47

    Well I am not a Full member and I doubt that many are in that position on this forum. Therefore I am not in a position to pass anything over to anybody to manage. I am merely a Caravan Club Member

  • Pathfinder
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    edited March 2017 #48

    Could have made it a competition for a member to come up with a design for new logo would have been far far cheaper even if they offered a few thou in caravan related prize.

  • Milhouse
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    edited March 2017 #49

    That's why this so called 'Club' will never change it's ways, just like the Football Association.

  • Mike and Joy
    Mike and Joy Forum Participant Posts: 3
    edited March 2017 #50

    Hi

    You correct in your statement so each  membership has a lead person and that person is a full members and allowed to vote at an AGM .

    Regards

    Mike

     

  • dmiller555
    dmiller555 Forum Participant Posts: 717
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    edited March 2017 #51

    That is my understanding too. 

  • RKJ52
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    edited March 2017 #52

    I have written to the club asking for the difference in each membership level and the qualifications for each- be interesting to see if I get a reply 

  • martincv
    martincv Forum Participant Posts: 4
    edited March 2017 #53

    Well i started a message about the name change but got the story locked..............dark days ahead...........

  • martincv
    martincv Forum Participant Posts: 4
    edited March 2017 #54

    Confused club member
    martincv replied on 02/03/2017 20:01
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    martincv
    NEWCONTENT Posted on 02/03/2017 20:01
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     Under the area of club together / terms and conditions,

     The website and Online Community is owned and operated by The Caravan Club Limited, company number 646027, registered office is East Grinstead House, London Road, East Grinstead, West Sussex, RH19 1UA, United Kingdom ('The Caravan Club'). In these terms and conditions, "we" "us" and "our" mean The Caravan Club.


    It makes reference to  the above Caravan Club, is anyone confused as to who we are ? 

    Please can we have our old club name back Please, yes that one, its The Caravan Club, anyone remember it     ?????? I got this locked out once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Wherenext
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    edited March 2017 #55

    Please can we have our old club name back

    The answer is Not a Snowball in Hells chance.

     

  • Wildwood
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    edited March 2017 #56

    The Camping and Motorhome Club appears to be a trading name of the Caravan Club Ltd. Trading names are fairly common in business.

    The Caravan Club Ltd is the holding company and holds the assets. It is not a commercial company though and is a device to protect the members assets if the club should go into liquidation and gives certain trading advantages.

    In practice in makes no difference to members and is best ignored.

  • G Cherokee
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    edited March 2017 #57

    I read it like this,

    The caravan and motorhome club is an organisation to which I pay a small subscription of £49 per annum. Having paid my subscription, I can now call myself a member, which allows me to use their club sites, and others at a discounted rate. I can also use their insurance services and get advice from their legal team.

    Much like other clubs, Golf, fishing, car owners clubs the "subs" are paid by it's members solely to generate cash for the club.

    If my golf club decides to make that rather easy par 4 on the fifth hole, a handicap busting 600yrd par 5, no amount of tantrum throwing will sway the decision makers, so I've just got get on with it.

    If I cause enough of a stink, I may get my membership suspended or even terminated, I'm just a lowly member, a grunt. 

    But I trust that the club has got its own best interests at heart.

    And will do everything within its power to make being a member a rewarding experiences.

    I really don't care if it's called "The tin homes on wheels club".

    Dave.

  • RochelleCC
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    edited March 2017 #58

    Hi guys, in response to 'who owns the Club':

    The Club is owned and run by its members. The Executive Committee (all of whom are long-standing members) are your elected representatives, i.e. the company directors, and are not paid. The Club has no borrowings and pays no dividends so it is not diverted from its sole purpose of serving members.  All surpluses are reinvested in Club services – overwhelmingly in the extension and development of your UK sites network. The legal entity remains ‘The Caravan Club Limited’, a company limited by guarantee, which is fully explained in the ‘Articles of Association’ and ‘The Club and how it works’ on the website.

  • Navigateur
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    edited March 2017 #59

    Rochelle,  where may I see a list of the shareholders?

  • grahame123
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    edited March 2017 #60

    i agree, we should have been consulted, balloted for the new name, if it is our club then maybe the exec committee should be removed at the next agm and replaced by people who listen to the members.

     

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited March 2017 #61

    I am sure that is possible but you do realise that you and other like minded members would have to be prepared to put yourself forward for election in order to change the status quo. You would also have to be prepared to take on the full mantle of responsibility for running the Club. So to some extent the ball is in your court.

    David