Baileys V Lunar ?
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I already have an alutech so know the short falls of woodless walls and roof.
I'll take that over any smart caravan which until 2017 model still had wood inside walls and floor, my Alutech also has a wood floor that did leak in the first year, which is why i'm going the HT smart route.
I should add however that its been totally dry since the floor leak was repaired, now coming up to six years old.
I fully expect faults same as any caravan foreign or domestic. As for motorhomes, considering the price of them i would want them made from F1 car type materials!
Its only to be expected that they lead the market over tourers, given the price.
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Going off later today with my obviously inferior German caravan. As this time will be spent in a sea of Bailey's, swifts Coachman and Lunar's. I will have ample time to reflect on my folly. As I wait for the underfloor heating to kick in as it does combat
with precisely no drafts blowing through the fridge vents. Not even enough breeze to ruffle the derided net curtains. Then I realise that nothing has fallen out during transit because all the cupboards have proper locksI hope that I can count all your sympathy as I endure my plight
..Sounds like our UK built van only ours is probably lighter with more kit as most in UK want
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I already have an alutech so know the short falls of woodless walls and roof.
I'll take that over any smart caravan which until 2017 model still had wood inside walls and floor, my Alutech also has a wood floor that did leak in the first year, which is why i'm going the HT smart route.
I should add however that its been totally dry since the floor leak was repaired, now coming up to six years old.
I fully expect faults same as any caravan foreign or domestic. As for motorhomes, considering the price of them i would want them made from F1 car type materials!
Its only to be expected that they lead the market over tourers, given the price.
Write your comments here...+1
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Going off later today with my obviously inferior German caravan. As this time will be spent in a sea of Bailey's, swifts Coachman and Lunar's. I will have ample time to reflect on my folly. As I wait for the underfloor heating to kick in as it does combat
with precisely no drafts blowing through the fridge vents. Not even enough breeze to ruffle the derided net curtains. Then I realise that nothing has fallen out during transit because all the cupboards have proper locksI hope that I can count all your sympathy as I endure my plight
..Sounds like our UK built van only ours is probably lighter with more kit as most in UK want
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And ours although I do not know how our blown air heating compares with underfloor but I suspect it warms up quicker and our caravan must be far lighter so I can use a cheaper lighter tow car although that is Japanese I am
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Going off later today with my obviously inferior German caravan. As this time will be spent in a sea of Bailey's, swifts Coachman and Lunar's. I will have ample time to reflect on my folly. As I wait for the underfloor heating to kick in as it does combat
with precisely no drafts blowing through the fridge vents. Not even enough breeze to ruffle the derided net curtains. Then I realise that nothing has fallen out during transit because all the cupboards have proper locksI hope that I can count all your sympathy as I endure my plight
..Sounds like our UK built van only ours is probably lighter with more kit as most in UK want
Yours lighter almost certainly. More kit doubt it.
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I already have an alutech so know the short falls of woodless walls and roof.
I'll take that over any smart caravan which until 2017 model still had wood inside walls and floor, my Alutech also has a wood floor that did leak in the first year, which is why i'm going the HT smart route.
I should add however that its been totally dry since the floor leak was repaired, now coming up to six years old.
I fully expect faults same as any caravan foreign or domestic. As for motorhomes, considering the price of them i would want them made from F1 car type materials!
Its only to be expected that they lead the market over tourers, given the price.
my point wasnt that 'MH lead the market over tourers'....in volume of sales, i guess they don't...
..it was that, on the Continent, MH makers have woken up and are building lighter, cheaper versions of their 'full fat' offerings, but retaining the build quality of the parent marque....
what this has done, is not only stimulated great interest (and sales) in their home markets, but also here in the UK, giving our home customers some additional viable alternatives to the 'home brands'.....Carado, Weinsburg, Dreamer etc...from parent brands
Hymer, Knaus, Rapido, Dethleffs....et al.what i was saying was that this trend hasnt happened yet in the UK caravan market and home buyers dont yet have the wider brand choice that that is emerging in the MH market in the UK.
will this change? possibly....some of these MH brands are even putting the MH entry door on the UK side, so it cant be a large step to do this with a caravan.....
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Going off later today with my obviously inferior German caravan. As this time will be spent in a sea of Bailey's, swifts Coachman and Lunar's. I will have ample time to reflect on my folly. As I wait for the underfloor heating to kick in as it does combat
with precisely no drafts blowing through the fridge vents. Not even enough breeze to ruffle the derided net curtains. Then I realise that nothing has fallen out during transit because all the cupboards have proper locksI hope that I can count all your sympathy as I endure my plight
..Sounds like our UK built van only ours is probably lighter with more kit as most in UK want
Yours lighter almost certainly. More kit doubt it.
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Going off later today with my obviously inferior German caravan. As this time will be spent in a sea of Bailey's, swifts Coachman and Lunar's. I will have ample time to reflect on my folly. As I wait for the underfloor heating to kick in as it does combat
with precisely no drafts blowing through the fridge vents. Not even enough breeze to ruffle the derided net curtains. Then I realise that nothing has fallen out during transit because all the cupboards have proper locksI hope that I can count all your sympathy as I endure my plight
..Sounds like our UK built van only ours is probably lighter with more kit as most in UK want
Yours lighter almost certainly. More kit doubt it.
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Seems strange that you know exactly what UK wants, but struggle to understand my reply.
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Going off later today with my obviously inferior German caravan. As this time will be spent in a sea of Bailey's, swifts Coachman and Lunar's. I will have ample time to reflect on my folly. As I wait for the underfloor heating to kick in as it does combat
with precisely no drafts blowing through the fridge vents. Not even enough breeze to ruffle the derided net curtains. Then I realise that nothing has fallen out during transit because all the cupboards have proper locksI hope that I can count all your sympathy as I endure my plight
..Sounds like our UK built van only ours is probably lighter with more kit as most in UK want
Yours lighter almost certainly. More kit doubt it.
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Seems strange that you know exactly what UK wants, but struggle to understand my reply.
Write your comments here...what reply just a suposion
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Ok. Just tell me exactly what my caravan lacks that you consider essential for a UK caravanner?
I would guess from overheard conversions at the NEC between sales people and prospective purchasers (possibly) that yours lacks (in no particular order) velour curtains, 4 burner hob and oven, the door is on the "wrong side" the cocktail cabinet hasnt got monogrammed glasses in it, the carpet does not have deep enough pile there is only one window at the front instead of three, etc etc.
Just thinking about this makes me wonder what on earth I was thinking about parting with that Fendt
You have got me bang to rights on the lack of the Door being om the wrong side, but it definitely has one. The velour curtIan's you are correct entirely absent. No monogrammed wine glasses . when our friend showed us his monogrammed wine glasses in his Vanmaste we did write Hymer on some of our Asda smart price glasses with a felt tip pen does that count?
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Ok. Just tell me exactly what my caravan lacks that you consider essential for a UK caravanner?
What anyone considers essential varies from person to person. If yours has all you want then no problem.
My question was in response to a certain members statement
"Sounds like our UK built van only ours is probably lighter with more kit as most in UK want
"He hasn't replied but there again I didn't expect him to.
The amount you pay for your van doesn't necessarily equate to the satisfaction you get. Plenty of people seem to change the vans every 5 minutes looking for a perfection that doesn't exist. They are doomed to be permanently disappointe.
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Ok. Just tell me exactly what my caravan lacks that you consider essential for a UK caravanner?
Write your comments here...price ,weight and uk spec
Rather going round in circles aren't we? As you seem to be unable to tell me what this kit (your word not mine) I am missing out on?
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Ok. Just tell me exactly what my caravan lacks that you consider essential for a UK caravanner?
Write your comments here...price ,weight and uk spec
Rather going round in circles aren't we? As you seem to be unable to tell me what this kit (your word not mine) I am missing out on?
...check out a UK spec van then advise what you have to compare
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Ok. Just tell me exactly what my caravan lacks that you consider essential for a UK caravanner?
Write your comments here...price ,weight and uk spec
Rather going round in circles aren't we? As you seem to be unable to tell me what this kit (your word not mine) I am missing out on?
...check out a UK spec van then advise what you have to compare
You stated and I quote " more kit as most in the UK want" so I don't need to look at the spec of U.K. vans I know what it is and the associated build quality or in my opinion the lack there of What is obvious is that you have no idea about continental
vans Have you actually been inside one recentlyI shall henceforth refrain from posting on this thread to save you from further embarassing yourself.
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Our 10 year old German van had more kit in it than the top of the range uk vans of the time. Underfloor heating, extractor, etc. were all standard.
In order to claim that overseas vans are under spec compared to uk vans it is important to know what the spec actually is and it is clear that many on here are way behind the times on the various ranges from the overseas manufacturers.
I have spent a lot of time comparing the current offerings from both sides of the channel and frankly if anyone is under the impression that Boff's hymer is somehow a lesser van then they are very much mistaken
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This part of the debate has now become somewhat puerile, as you have only to look at the many different offering in equipment levels from UK Manufacturers, to realise that the term ‘UK Spec’ is wrongly being used on here as if it were an ‘absolute term’
when it is merely a ‘concept’, that means somewhat differing thing to each and every individual involved.0 -
I know I said I wouldn't post again so sorry
An observation on spec's
During the summer. I think that our van was grossly over spec'd and I think anyone elses would be as well because we simply used it as a base to sleep in all our living including cooking was done outside. So an adequate spec would be a bed and a fridge.
This weekend just gone the spec was more important as there was a requirement for good heating and comfortable seating areas because we stayed inside. So the desired spec can change according to the season of use.
The brand of van or the country of origin is irrelevant what counts is the functionality for the user.
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Ok. Just tell me exactly what my caravan lacks that you consider essential for a UK caravanner?
Write your comments here...price ,weight and uk spec
Rather going round in circles aren't we? As you seem to be unable to tell me what this kit (your word not mine) I am missing out on?
...check out a UK spec van then advise what you have to compare
You stated and I quote " more kit as most in the UK want" so I don't need to look at the spec of U.K. vans I know what it is and the associated build quality or in my opinion the lack there of What is obvious is that you have no idea about continental
vans Have you actually been inside one recentlyI shall henceforth refrain from posting on this thread to save you from further embarassing yourself.
...Well after looking again this year round several at Birmingham ,apart from a starting weight being too high for the size in comparison, and then most things that we expect as standard in the UK being "extras" giving a much higher price and even higher
weight against the equivalent uk size,and as most UK makes now have 10yr warranties against the other countries need to have a rethink before any real inroads will affect the UK market0 -
The problem with the warranties is that for most things they are effectively one year if you read the exclusions and bought in items like the fridge are under the items manufacturers warranty. The ten years where given is simply water ingress although that
is useful. In practice your best rights are against the dealer who sold it so the origin probably does not matter.0 -
My tuppence worth.
If you read any caravan forum there's clearly an issue with most UK made caravans in terms of quality & leaking. We've been caravanners for over 10 years and have been lucky enough to have bought 2 brand new caravans, both top of the range Baileys, (Senator
and Unicorn models). Sadly we had issue with both in terms of quality and leaks. My biggest gripe however is the manner in which Bailey deal with these issues. Their customer care is truly terrible. Slightly late annual service renders the water ingress warranty
useless etc. You cannot call them, only email & letter, (convenient....for Bailey). Recently I wrote a personal letter of complaint to the CEO. 4 weeks later, nothing, zilch. How can I recommend anyone to a company where they don't even bother to deal with
a complaint? Fact is British Leyland went into the 1970's with cars like the Allegro trading on peoples patrotism and loyalty. Consider their fortunes now compared to say....BMW. I've just ordered a new Hymer Nova. I'm aware that they're expensive but it's
my hard earned money, I want quality and won't give it away so easily on cheap tat. Not again.0 -
Thats another brand to cross off the list then when I get rid of this Lunar. I too am a fan of Hymer and had faultless service for 7 years out of one however they do seem to be promoting big models and at prices that can only go one way now and I dont like their dealer.
I'm agreed with you on the price thing, with the £ dropping against the Euro the price will only go one way. There was no Hymer dealer near us so we travelled to Travelworld in Telford. They're not your usual caravan dealer. Very good IMO
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It alright saying that foreign vans are the best, less troublesome than British vans, less prone to leaks, which may or may not be true. However if you don't have a dealer in the area you live you are pretty much stuck for servicing and should you require
it warrenty work. As it is we have a 180 mile round trip to get our van seen at the dealer and that's a UK van, if we were to go to a continental van it could be much further than that, not really practical in some cases.0 -
It alright saying that foreign vans are the best, less troublesome than British vans, less prone to leaks, which may or may not be true. However if you don't have a dealer in the area you live you are pretty much stuck for servicing and should you require
it warrenty work. As it is we have a 180 mile round trip to get our van seen at the dealer and that's a UK van, if we were to go to a continental van it could be much further than that, not really practical in some cases.I agree with you over the distance thing but look at all the replies to this forum. People are saying it's a lottery on whether you get a good van or a Friday van, saying to choose the dealer wisely as they can be good or bad. It shouldn't be this way. It
should be a great experience in every case!0
