Increased risk of injury on a rally?

KevBailey

Segregation between vehicles and pedestrians has been identified as a key driver to reducing deaths in the work place, however  since the 6mtr rule has been enforced on rallies I’m seeing a lot more car movement between units due to the space (especially
without awnings erected)

Has any other Centre noticed this?, are you concerned?, are you doing anything about it?

If 3mtrs between the rear of units is sufficient, why 6mtrs between caravan walls ?

I totally agree that we need to minimise risk by enforcing rules, however I’m really concerned that this 6mtr rule has created an even bigger risk to members safety when exiting caravan (especially with kids)

I have posted it on here to get people’s views, and depending on responses I am prepared to take this further with my local region and the club.

Fysherman

I thought it was 6m space all round?

That's what the other club insist upon (it's been years since we were on a CC rally)

I can see the sense in making "lanes" for car movement on the larger rallies.

Surfer

It makes you wonder about the 6m guidline on some rallies around village halls where the caravans are less than 3m apart and it is a CC rally?  At the next rally with the same organisation the 6m is probably strictly enforced!

Dave

Hi Kev,

if you allow space for an awning at 2.5m and a car parked next to the other caravan there isn't a lot of the 6m left. My disco is over 2m wide so I can understand the 6m between caravan walls.

I agree that it is a problem with vehicles driving between caravans and it seems to be getting worse more recently.

Centres need to put in place a policy of laying the vans out with designated vehicle routes (obviously larger gaps) and reinforcing there use to members.

I also agree that this would be worth discussing with your region and putting a proposal forward to the Club and other divisions and regions.

Dave

peegeenine

I have seen this and experienced this several times, even when roadways have been clearly defined. It's akin to people walking across your pitch to get to the toilet block on a CC site, but more dangerous. I think all that can be done is for the stewards/
marshalls to stress the point to members on arrival and put it on any information sheet that may be issued.

KevBailey

Hi Kev,

if you allow space for an awning at 2.5m and a car parked next to the other caravan there isn't a lot of the 6m left. My disco is over 2m wide so I can understand the 6m between caravan walls.

I agree that it is a problem with vehicles driving between caravans and it seems to be getting worse more recently.

Centres need to put in place a policy of laying the vans out with designated vehicle routes (obviously larger gaps) and reinforcing there use to members.

I also agree that this would be worth discussing with your region and putting a proposal forward to the Club and other divisions and regions.

Dave

Hi Dave

When you have awnings up, the problem goes away. It's on the smaller weekend rallies that you see the problems.

I understand at the CC national rally, the vans were parked back to back with a 3mtr gap which I can't get my head round ?? Again I would be interested in feedback on this.

At the moment, we can't even put windbreaks up in the 3mtr gap bridge the gap. 

Kennine

Safety concerns alone should ensure that there is a 6 meter gap in every direction from each caravan to it's nearest neighbour.  Perfectly straightforward and easy to implement. 

K

brue

We were at the National and the spacing seemed ok, closer at the rear but good gaps in between, quite well defined as per the rule book. There was very little vehicle movement considering the numbers involved. On smaller rallies I would hope the same attention
is paid to spacing and safety, if not it's worth bringing it up for discussion regarding site safety.

ABM

I  suppose  all  units  at  rallies  could  be  supplied  with  one  of  those  nice  gizmos  that  thepolice  use  (on   tv  programmes anyway  )  that  puncture  the  'sinners'  tyres .

That  should  ensure  compiance  with  the  highest  of  standards  that  we  all  demand .

 

SteveL

We don't rally, but I thought the idea of them was for people to get together, in particular the children. If this is the case, then surely a parking area at the entrance to the rally, where you would have to take your car once the van was positioned, would
remove any risk. 

brue

I haven't been on a rally yet where I felt concerned about vehicle movement but obviously the OP has experienced otherwise. The vehicle movement on rallies or speed is nothing like you'd see on a site. Generally there is more safe space for children but much depends on the actual rally site. Parents, as always, need to keep an eye on their children.

AndyNYorks

I haven't witnesed this at all but where we have more than one row the vans are normally positioned so that the second row has them aligned with the gaps in the first row. This would make it quite difficult to navigate between them with a vehicle. It also
provides a better outlook for the second row as they are not looking directly into the van in front.

rovinmad

I've never witnessed this, but I can certainly believe it.  There seems to be no limit on the ingenuity of a minority when it comes to being unreasonable.

kaenergas

Rallied extensively over the years never seen an accident, your more likely to have one on a CC site judging by the number of complaints on here about Speeding 

AlanPort

We don't rally, but I thought the idea of them was for people to get together, in particular the children. If this is the case, then surely a parking area at the entrance to the rally, where you would have to take your car once the van was positioned, would
remove any risk. 

The problem with having parking away from the caravan is that some people seem unable to walk more than a few feet.  They even want to drive to the elsan point.  

With regards the spacing, there should be a minimum of 6 metres between caravan walls and at least 3 metres between any component of a particular outfit and the next one.  It seems that this requirement has not been conveyed sufficiently by some centres
as we have recently rallied as visitors to a number of other centres and there are distinct variations in the way the spacing guidance is being applied.  The same problem is apparent with members attending rallies who are either not aware of or choose to disregard
the need to only drive on roadways rather than through lines.

AlanPort

I haven't witnesed this at all but where we have more than one row the vans are normally positioned so that the second row has them aligned with the gaps in the first row. This would make it quite difficult to navigate between them with a vehicle. It also
provides a better outlook for the second row as they are not looking directly into the van in front.

Andy. One of the rallies we attended recently was your Centres rally at Malton and i must say that this was one of the best laid out rallies we experienced during our tour of the north of England so well done to North Yorkshire.  Alan

AndyNYorks

I haven't witnesed this at all but where we have more than one row the vans are normally positioned so that the second row has them aligned with the gaps in the first row. This would make it quite difficult to navigate between them with a vehicle. It also
provides a better outlook for the second row as they are not looking directly into the van in front.

Andy. One of the rallies we attended recently was your Centres rally at Malton and i must say that this was one of the best laid out rallies we experienced during our tour of the north of England so well done to North Yorkshire.  Alan

Sorry I didn't realise you were the visitors from Hampshire. Mind you, we were a touch busy having the 2 small grandchildren with us for the first time. At 2 & 4 they can certainly keep you busy so we didn't get around to talking to people as much as usual.
Glad you enjoyed the rally, we did. I'll pass your comments on to our committee, I'm sure they will be pleased to hear that the centre is getting something right.

AlanPort

Sorry we missed you Andy.  Hope to meet up when we next venture north.  We joined a couple of the socials which were fun though not very well supported by others on the rally, probably due to the cold evenings.

On West Hampshire rallies everyone receives an attendance list so we can see who is on site.  It is useful to meet new rallies this way.  Some Centres do this and others simply have a list at the rally office for those who are interested.  It's also useful
for new members so they can get to know others.  Perhaps other centres who don't do this at present could consider that idea?

Alan

kaenergas

On a recent East Hants rally same idea a list of ralliiers with names, car reg and what centre they were, as an East Yorkshire centre member we noted another member from our centre who we did not know and we were able to have a chat with them and it appeared
both been members for years but we had not seen or remembered seeing each other. 

AndyNYorks

Sorry we missed you Andy.  Hope to meet up when we next venture north.  We joined a couple of the socials which were fun though not very well supported by others on the rally, probably due to the cold evenings.

On West Hampshire rallies everyone receives an attendance list so we can see who is on site.  It is useful to meet new rallies this way.  Some Centres do this and others simply have a list at the rally office for those who are interested.  It's also useful
for new members so they can get to know others.  Perhaps other centres who don't do this at present could consider that idea?

Alan

We do normally attend the socials but were unable as the granddaughters had to be put to bed.

The idea of providing a list of members is not normally done at NY rallies although I have done so at some that I run. For some people it seems to be very welcome.

JillwithaJay

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obbernockle

We have attended events (not CC) where the caravans were adequately spaced but people were totally unnecessarily driving between caravans. This is potentially dangerousness but also very annoying as the ground gets churned up between the caravans where the
occupants may wish to sit or certainly need to walk. Some caravanners know the problem and hang ropes between the caravans to prevent these drivers from driving through. The fire disk is then resumed. The organisers seem powerless to prevent this moronic behaviour.

Navigateur

Can you please explain how a rope between two caravans causes a fire risk.

Also it is not clear whether the bahaviour that you consider "moronic" is driving between parked outfits or attaching ropes.

Kennine

On the many CC rallies I've been to, It was common place to drive in and out of and through the rallyfield using the spaces between caravans. 

This helped the organisers in inclement weather by sharing the churning up of mud between the " official Roads " and the rest of the rally field. 

Have never ever heard of any mishaps or problems, everybody just got along fine and worked together. 

Perhaps now, there are too many people looking for solutions to imagined problems which don't exist. 

obbernockle

Can you please explain how a rope between two caravans causes a fire risk.

Also it is not clear whether the bahaviour that you consider "moronic" is driving between parked outfits or attaching ropes.

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obbernockle

I mentioned ropes, but it starts there - then flags and other bits are added to make the ropes visible. What a mess, as well as the beginning of a practice which either does or will develop into a fire risk. I used the word moronic to describe in particular
the practice of driving between caravans and turning the place in a quagmire. I should add that the marshals had previously asked people not to drive vehicles at all unless absolutely necessary.

Boff

Ropes flags, BBQ and drink it's a wonder any of us survive a weekend

Oh dear obbernockle, has anyone not told you in the long term we are all dead.