Booking Abuse!
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Peedee, where have you got the cancelation figures, or are you just looking at the late availability site,as I cannot find anywhere else on the cc website that actually gives the ammount of pitches that each site has available, and that is very much subject to as said ,if pitches become available, and not just late cancelations
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What is clearly important, in this debate, is the number that are resold taken over the year as a whole. If the majority are resold, there is little incentive for the CC to introduce different, or more complexed booking practices. Some of which would have
a significant cost to introduce. I would like to think that the CC have computed all of this and that is why they are not advocating any changes. Unfortunately, I think it unlikely we will ever have access to enough data for us to confirm or reject this assumption.0 -
Peedee, where have you got the cancelation figures, or are you just looking at the late availability site,as I cannot find anywhere else on the cc website that actually gives the ammount of pitches that each site has available, and that is very much subject
to as said ,if pitches become available and not just late cancelationsIts the differnece between the days availablity which gives the cancellation figures and between the 6th and early this morning that was 486 nights over the coming weekend.
peedee
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What is clearly important, in this debate, is the number that are resold taken over the year as a whole.
I don't diagree with this Steve but how much more could the Club sell if the weekends were not blocked for those wanting a longer break which included the weekend?
peedee
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Peedee, where have you got the cancelation figures, or are you just looking at the late availability site,as I cannot find anywhere else on the cc website that actually gives the ammount of pitches that each site has available, and that is very much subject to as said ,if pitches become available and not just late cancelations
Its the differnece between the days availablity which gives the cancellation figures and between the 6th and early this morning that was 486 nights over the coming weekend.
peedee
..But where did you find how many pitches are available for instance today?as on booking it only shows a site has availability not how many are available ,except on late availability site which is Fri to Sun
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What is clearly important, in this debate, is the number that are resold taken over the year as a whole.
I don't diagree with this Steve but how much more could the Club sell if the weekends were not blocked for those wanting a longer break which included the weekend?
peedee
That is a fair point and of course one the club would have no information on, unless they were prepared to trial a different system.
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Peedee, where have you got the cancelation figures, or are you just looking at the late availability site,as I cannot find anywhere else on the cc website that actually gives the ammount of pitches that each site has available, and that is very much subject to as said ,if pitches become available and not just late cancelations
Its the differnece between the days availablity which gives the cancellation figures and between the 6th and early this morning that was 486 nights over the coming weekend.
peedee
..But where did you find how many pitches are available for instance today?as on booking it only shows a site has availability not how many are available ,except on late availability site which is Fri to Sun
Ok, for more clarity JVB
Its the difference between the days availablity on Friday, Saturday and Sunday on the 11th 12th and 13th March which gives the cancellation figures and between the 6th and early this morning that was 486 nights cancelled over the coming weekend.
peedee
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Peedee, where have you got the cancelation figures, or are you just looking at the late availability site,as I cannot find anywhere else on the cc website that actually gives the ammount of pitches that each site has available, and that is very much subject to as said ,if pitches become available and not just late cancelations
Its the differnece between the days availablity which gives the cancellation figures and between the 6th and early this morning that was 486 nights over the coming weekend.
peedee
..But where did you find how many pitches are available for instance today?as on booking it only shows a site has availability not how many are available ,except on late availability site which is Fri to Sun
Ok, for more clarity JVB
Its the difference between the days availablity on Friday, Saturday and Sunday on the 11th 12th and 13th March which gives the cancellation figures and between the 6th and early this morning that was 486 nights cancelled over the coming weekend.
peedee
That is not what LA shows it just show sites with availability not what have been cancelled,
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just re-read Peedees post where he explains how he got the 'net cancellations' from the change in availability taken at two different snapshots....
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From March 4th availability is increasing week on week due to all the sites gradually opening for Easter, some pitches will have been booked earlier and the remainder are now becoming visible as late availability. When the sites are closed the available pitches aren't visible in LA. This would indicate an increase in availability, not cancellations? (Or am I going round the bend?!
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From March 4th availability is increasing week on week due to all the sites gradually opening for Easter, some pitches will have been booked earlier and the remainder are now becoming visible as late availability. When the sites are closed the available pitches aren't visible in LA. This would indicate an increase in availability, not cancellations? (Or am I going round the bend?!
)Sites opening on say the 4th March will have been available to book in December 2015 but will only appear on the late availability from the date of opening e.g. 4th March. They would not appear on late availability for the 27-29th Feb. I have only been comparing availability for one weekend, the 11-13th March, and the number of sites available for that weekend remains constant. It does not vary so any variations in availablity are do to bookings and cancellations. Nothing whatsoever to do with sites opening and closing.
There was a flurry of late bookings yesterday and by this morning losses in bookings has been made up. What is more difficult to analyse is where these bookings have been made and have the actual cancelations been picked up or are they bookings at sites which had plenty of availability anyway.
peedee
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"There was a flurry of late bookings yesterday and by this morning losses in bookings has been made up."
Well, that rathers shows that the CC system is working extremely effectively doesn't it?
Possibly, but to the Clubs advantage, not to members who could not get a booking over a weekend only to find a few days beforehand it became frustratingly available. It is still a fact there were a significant number of cancelations 24-48 hours before the deadline.
peedee
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"There was a flurry of late bookings yesterday and by this morning losses in bookings has been made up."
Well, that rathers shows that the CC system is working extremely effectively doesn't it?Possibly, but to the Clubs advantage, not to members who could not get a booking over a weekend only to find a few days beforehand it became frustratingly available. It is still a fact there were a significant number of cancelations 24-48 hours before the
deadline.peedee
Well, I guess the club has a dilemma, at least if they take any notice of this forum. There are those who complain that it's no longer acting as a club, in the interest of its members. Then there are those who say it needs to move with the times and get
more commercialised. I can only conclude that they are making a pretty good compromise!0 -
"There was a flurry of late bookings yesterday and by this morning losses in bookings has been made up."
Well, that rathers shows that the CC system is working extremely effectively doesn't it?Possibly, but to the Clubs advantage, not to members who could not get a booking over a weekend only to find a few days beforehand it became frustratingly available. It is still a fact there were a significant number of cancelations 24-48 hours before the deadline.
peedee
...I am still very confused as to how you know there were a any cancelations ,as when ever i have looked at the LA site it has always been showing reductions over the w/ends rather than an increase, which would show either cancelations or wardens bringing in more pitches
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Never minde JVB.
Moulsey, well the Club could tighten up by adopting one of CY's 4 suggestions. SteveL's suggestion which initially looks a good idea, has a flaw in that I fear the rogue members would just book more than a few days and then cancel them all later when they
don't want them which would be even worse.peedee
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Never minde JVB.
Moulsey, well the Club could tighten up by adopting one of CY's 4 suggestions. SteveL's suggestion which initially looks a good idea, has a flaw in that I fear the rogue members would just book more than a few days and then cancel them all later when they
don't want them which would be even worse.peedee
...So you are admitting that you really are only Guessing at cancelations as there is no way that your "way of working it out" is possible
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how could you possibly 'interpret' that from Peedee's post?
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...So you are admitting that you really are only Guessing at cancelations
Point me to the post I have said that JVB. I can assure you I was not guessing. If you cannot understand how I arrived at my figures I am not about to explain it further. The only way they can be inaccurate is if the Clubs availability figures are wrong
which seems most unlikely.peedee
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...So you are admitting that you really are only Guessing at cancelations
Point me to the post I have said that JVB. I can assure you I was not guessing. If you cannot understand how I arrived at my figures I am not about to explain it further. The only way they can be inaccurate is if the Clubs availability figures are wrong
which seems most unlikely.peedee
.I would expect that.they are correct but no way can it be perceived from them that late cancelations are affecting them
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JVB you are obviously confused as to what I am doing. It would appear the late availability figures for the weekends are updated in near real time and therefore change as the bookings and cancelations are made. You only have to compare one instance in time
with a later one to see whether availability is changing and how. That is what I did noting the differences and recording these in spread sheets from where they could be analysed. The points represent the instances and the "x" axis represents time, in this
case over four days, two days before the deadline and two after with that of the 8th March amplified into time slots. The "Y" axis shows the availability. The increase in availability over the 24hrs between the 7th and 8th of 486 pitches for the weekend of
11-13th March is almost certainly due to cancelations before the 72 hour deadline of noon on the 8th.It's a good job it is raining hard and there is nothing on telle that interest me.
peedee
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JVB you are obviously confused as to what I am doing. It would appear the late availability figures for the weekends are updated in near real time and therefore change as the bookings and cancelations are made. You only have to compare one instance in time
with a later one to see whether availability is changing and how. That is what I did noting the differences and recording these in spread sheets from where they could be analysed. The points represent the instances and the "x" axis represents time, in this
case over four days, two days before the deadline and two after with that of the 8th March amplified into time slots. The "Y" axis shows the availability. The increase in availability over the 24hrs between the 7th and 8th of 486 pitches for the weekend of
11-13th March is almost certainly due to cancelations before the 72 hour deadline of noon on the 8th.It's a good job it is raining hard and there is nothing on telle that interest me.
peedee
..Thanks for that ,you must have a lot of time on your hands every day.
but i now see where you are coming from? whats a spread sheet?0
