Brighton site - the builders next door
There is a building site next door to the Brighton CC site. Obviously this creates a fair amount of noise, but I guess this cannot be helped.....it's the nature of building works (although I do think this merits a mention on the site description).
But to the main point.......the contractor is using a tower crane. This is sited right next to the boundary with the Club site. The boom often swings over the site. Tonight, the boom has been left over-hanging the site over-night. It's actually above some caravans.
Two points:
1) Does the CC think that this is safe practise?
2) Does the CC have an over-sailing agreement in place with the contractor? (This is an agreement to span over another party's property, usually with a payment of an agreed fee).
Given that these are important issues concerning safety of Club members and increasing income to the Club, could I please ask a Mod or Rochelle to raise this matter with the sites development department?
(We aren't personally affected by the safety issue, that isn't what this post is about).
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Sorry, Ian but you have asked for that.
However, I realise the importance of the content of your post and would suggest you contact the Health and Safety Executive first thing in the morning and also contact CC HQ yourself. This is too important to Ieave for someone else to report from a post
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Write your comments here...I agree that the warden, if he/she had been doing their job properly, could not have missed seeing what Ian has.
The warden should have notified H/O as soon as possible and walked around the site reassuring his customers that he had the situation under control. Its not for the customers to involve themselves in internal company communication.
K
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I'll be perfectly honest, these cranes are often used in city centres, so I assume they are perfectly safe. But I wondered what the Club's view was. I agree that the site staff ought to be on top of the situation though and ought to really contact the contractor, to ask him not to do this, because it could worry some campers (most responsible contractors provide an out of hours contact number to their near neighbours).
My other concern was whether the Club were getting the (potentially substantial) income from an over-sailing license.
These tower cranes are usually fitted with an alarm to alert the operator if the boom is about to swing over an area outside the curtilage of the building site (without such an agreement). So the fact that the boom has been left over the CC site tonight (I haven't noticed it at other times and we aren't here during the day) suggests that an over-sailing agreement should be in place.
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Ian I am confused, in your first email you wrote:
The boom often swings over the site
yet you now say:
So the fact that the boom has been left over the CC site tonight (I haven't noticed it at other times and we aren't here during the day)
which is correct? were you just trying to stir things up in your first post? I don't think you should , as you said earlier: This is an important topic0 -
They have probably left the jib in that direction so it is not getting caught by the wind,
I assume you are trying to say that it is a safety issue as it might fall down whilst it is unloaded?
Or are you worried someone might bump their head on the jib on the way back to their caravan in the dark?
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Well ,!!! For ALL you concerned parties ,,,,,,the jib of a tower crane or a luffing crane when at rest on the end of the day MUST MUST ,swing in the wind direction prevailing !!!!If that is over the site ,then SO BE IT .The operator/driver should bring the hook into a square position (length of hook & chains) with the tower.Other locations risk side wids impact upon the jib & tower which could be detrimental to the structure .No crane should operate at wind speeds in excess of 30mph.With the jib in 'free slew' there is NO PROBLEM.!!!! (DRIVEN THEM ) Stop Fussing !!!!0
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A tower crane suggests a high structure is being built, which will give the occupants a good view of the caravan site activities. I don't see many caravaners appreciating being overlooked and the lack of a rural aspect. So occupancy might well decline,
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There is a building site next door to the Brighton CC site. Obviously this creates a fair amount of noise, but I guess this cannot be helped.....it's the nature of building works (although I do think this merits a mention on the site description).
But to the main point.......the contractor is using a tower crane. This is sited right next to the boundary with the Club site. The boom often swings over the site. Tonight, the boom has been left over-hanging the site over-night. It's actually above some
caravans.Two points:
1) Does the CC think that this is safe practise?
2) Does the CC have an over-sailing agreement in place with the contractor? (This is an agreement to span over another party's property, usually with a payment of an agreed fee).
Given that these are important issues concerning safety of Club members and increasing income to the Club, could I please ask a Mod or Rochelle to raise this matter with the sites development department?
(We aren't personally affected by the safety issue, that isn't what this post is about).
Did you ask the wardens and have you written directly to the club?
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Well ,!!! For ALL you concerned parties ,,,,,,the jib of a tower crane or a luffing crane when at rest on the end of the day MUST MUST ,swing in the wind direction prevailing !!!!If that is over the site ,then SO BE IT .The operator/driver should bring the hook into a square position (length of hook & chains) with the tower.Other locations risk side wids impact upon the jib & tower which could be detrimental to the structure .No crane should operate at wind speeds in excess of 30mph.With the jib in 'free slew' there is NO PROBLEM.!!!! (DRIVEN THEM ) Stop Fussing !!!!
Trikey - as I said earlier, probably not a problem from a safety point of view (although a lot of people probably wouldn't want it over the top of them!).
No, there may not be a problem, but the CC should be receiving a fee for the over-sailing - effectively a 'rental' of their land.
My question to the Club estates people (and Club staff apparantly monitor these posts) is - are you content with this situation and are you getting the income?
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A tower crane suggests a high structure is being built, which will give the occupants a good view of the caravan site activities. I don't see many caravaners appreciating being overlooked and the lack of a rural aspect. So occupancy might well decline,
which could be part of the plan to sell off the site for further development.Not necessarily it might just be for its greater reach in a confined space.
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Tower cranes are a feature of most cities and they move over heavly built up areas so they are not regarded as a danger to those below although it may be annoying. They are always subject to very stringent safety legislation and accidents are not a regular
feature although if very bad weather is forecast it may be neccessary to partialy dismantle them.Assuming it was built correctly and is not moving loads over the caravan site there should be no safety issue although you should not leave it overhanging other peoples property as that is downright rude and might be trespass.
The thread is about a safety issue and the site charges are irrelevant and their level is a matter of opinion. The suggestion that the OP was wrong to go there because of the fees is rude and should be Deleted User.
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Tower cranes are a feature of most cities and they move over heavly built up areas so they are not regarded as a danger to those below although it may be annoying. They are always subject to very stringent safety legislation and accidents are not a regular
feature although if very bad weather is forecast it may be neccessary to partialy dismantle them.Assuming it was built correctly and is not moving loads over the caravan site there should be no safety issue although you should not leave it overhanging other peoples property as that is downright rude and might be trespass.
The thread is about a safety issue and the site charges are irrelevant and their level is a matter of opinion. The suggestion that the OP was wrong to go there because of the fees is rude and should be Deleted User.
Thank you, yes there have been some very rude personal comments.
You are correct, this is indeed trespass. The contractor has to agree to oversail anyone else's property and it is completely normal to pay a fee for this.
I was trying to highlight where the CC could be missing out on thousands of pounds. What a shame that they didn't seem fit to acknowledge my post......even though they say that they monitor this forum.
Had I mentioned politics or religion they would have been all over it. Had I mentioned that I was having difficulty buying insurance or a ferry crossing, I would have had a reply within minutes.
But I mentioned an unusual opportunity to make thousands of pounds for our Club, and got no reponse.
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Doubt if it would make the club "Thousands of pounds" as Leeds city council only charge £201 for a crane to oversail any of their Highways. Which i presume would be considered a higher risk loading.
However IanH i do see your point Oh and almost forgot it would be illegal for the crane operate to oversail the site unless a licence had been obtained to do so which would require permission from the CC
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The amount charged is subject to negotiation. I don't doubt that a council does little to make money for it's residents when helping out a developer. That seems to be how they work.
The contractor can always say no to the price being asked by the adjacent landowner, but he then has to find another way to perform lifting operations or consider alternaives such as a luffing gib (slower, but might avoid the overhang).
In this case, the contractor has already constructed the crane foundations and installed the crane, so is in a poor negotiating position (especially if he has already been trespassing).
But apparantly the CC are not interested.......
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I doubt whether as a mere member CC would tell you whether the club is getting income or thank you for raising this.
I dont know how safe or otherwise they are but I wouldnt be that happy being in a caravan with a crane swinging overhead.
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