Differences between "here" and 'there'
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Thanks! Eleanor of Aquitaine is very much a heroine of mine, one gutsy lady!
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Husky, have a look on www.sagetravelling.com. They seem to have some info about getting around France for the less mobile. It says on their front page that they have info about chateaus and Loire valley. Don't know if it's any good but worth a try.
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As a prerequisite to posting on this thread, surely posters should at least have had experience of caravanning/MHing in both areas in, say, the last 5 years??
HD did not start this thread so those that never go to Europe can do down Europe, and VV.
Plus, can we remember that there is far more to Europe than France? Even though HD can maybe only get as far as France meantime.
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I think we tend to think of France for a week as Husky is based in Kent. Of course he could get to Belgium and Holland and still have time for a break, maybe taking in the bulb fields? Once he has the bug and finally retires he can then expand his area.
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As a prerequisite to posting on this thread, surely posters should at least have had experience of caravanning/MHing in both areas in, say, the last 5 years??
HD did not start this thread so those that never go to Europe can do down Europe, and VV.
Plus, can we remember that there is far more to Europe than France? Even though HD can maybe only get as far as France meantime.
Mrs Huskydog would love to a tour of Scandinavia ,but I think that is a step to far at the moment , but who knows what will happen in the future.............
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As a prerequisite to posting on this thread, surely posters should at least have had experience of caravanning/MHing in both areas in, say, the last 5 years??
HD did not start this thread so those that never go to Europe can do down Europe, and VV.
Plus, can we remember that there is far more to Europe than France? Even though HD can maybe only get as far as France meantime.
Surely people can post where they like as long as comments are relevant? How are people to learn and question items if you 'ban' them from this thread, Kyell?
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Husky I hope you can soon get to Europe to try it. I personally think if you get 10 days or so go further into Germany too. We first ventured abroad with the caravan 12 years ago after we retired. There was so many places I wanted to see and really with the caravan was the cheapest and most relaxed way to see them. I also feel we would have not seen half as much if we had a MH as we had more flexability of travelling and exploreing the different Areas surounding the camp sites. When we are too old to venture over the Channel we will go further afield in the UK again as we did before we retired. I agree with David there are many types of travellers and each to their own.
DianneT
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As a prerequisite to posting on this thread, surely posters should at least have had experience of caravanning/MHing in both areas in, say, the last 5 years??
HD did not start this thread so those that never go to Europe can do down Europe, and VV.
Plus, can we remember that there is far more to Europe than France? Even though HD can maybe only get as far as France meantime.
Surely people can post where they like as long as comments are relevant? How are people to learn and question items if you 'ban' them from this thread, Kyell?
Ban??? No!
But how can you compare possible advantages or disadvantages if you have not experienced both scenarios?
I would not think to post an opinion on caravanning in Spain or Portugal, as I have never been there, but I have been to Scandinavia, so feel I can comment on that.
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As a prerequisite to posting on this thread, surely posters should at least have had experience of caravanning/MHing in both areas in, say, the last 5 years??
HD did not start this thread so those that never go to Europe can do down Europe, and VV.
Plus, can we remember that there is far more to Europe than France? Even though HD can maybe only get as far as France meantime.
Surely people can post where they like as long as comments are relevant? How are people to learn and question items if you 'ban' them from this thread, Kyell?
Ban??? No!
But how can you compare possible advantages or disadvantages if you have not experienced both scenarios?
I would not think to post an opinion on caravanning in Spain or Portugal, as I have never been there, but I have been to Scandinavia, so feel I can comment on that.
That is not what you said first time around, Kjell. I suggest we now leave this thread to its intended purpose of answering the question posed in the OP as it is not given to you or I to draw up the rules applicable to posting here.
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My apologies if, as a non-native English speaker, the nuances of the English language have escaped me.
What I am trying to say is that if someone has not experienced caravanning or motorhoming both in UK and abroad then it follows that they are not in a position to compare "over here" with "over there" and comment on the differences.
That seems very obvious and sensible to me.
Personally, I enjoy both, and do not see them as mutually exclusive. Nor do I think one is better than the other.
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As a prerequisite to posting on this thread, surely posters should at least have had experience of caravanning/MHing in both areas in, say, the last 5 years??
HD did not start this thread so those that never go to Europe can do down Europe, and VV.
Plus, can we remember that there is far more to Europe than France? Even though HD can maybe only get as far as France meantime.
Surely people can post where they like as long as comments are relevant? How are people to learn and question items if you 'ban' them from this thread, Kyell?
But those who mention 'Over there' in threads about British sites are condemned as being irrelevant and 'politely' asked to go away. This is even though we have all camped and caravanned in this country, before deciding to 'try Europe' so are at least speaking with the benefit of some knowledge.
We who make such contributions think our views are relevant, but are criticised by others if we venture to post in threads about British sites. KjellN has done no more than make the same suggestion in this thread, but with more relevance as a few of the posters in this thread admit they have never camped or caravanned in Europe.
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As a prerequisite to posting on this thread, surely posters should at least have had experience of caravanning/MHing in both areas in, say, the last 5 years??
So Kj the fact that I have only vanned in Europe for just over 3 years and covered approx 11k miles and visited 9 countries should preclude me from commenting on this thread. Oh and I lived in Germany man and boy for 9 years. I will now gracefully
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Valda, your words of 'camped & Caravanned in this Country' is a valid experience to the UK sites & is good to share. The constant-'the UK is too expensive/full/too regimented' followed by paragraphs on how much better it is over the water, there is the problem.
I have no experience of towing abroad-by choice. I do have an option to post-not to tell the OP that He shouldn't try it either, I am pro choice. It is rather disingenuous of you to mix the facts to post negativity to deride others. I realise it isn't because
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As a prerequisite to posting on this thread, surely posters should at least have had experience of caravanning/MHing in both areas in, say, the last 5 years??
So Kj the fact that I have only vanned in Europe for just over 3 years and covered approx 11k miles and visited 9 countries should preclude me from commenting on this thread. Oh and I lived in Germany man and boy for 9 years. I will now gracefully
bow out as you suggest!I think "in the last 5 years" should be easy enough to understand, I read this as having recent experiance not a CV requirement of x years before posting
agreed,
oneputt, i think Kjell was encouraging you, not the other way round......
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No pre-requisites needed, even if someone has not ventured across the water, he/she can surely give an opinion of what their belief is. It can then be answered by someone who has experienced it, maybe then dispelling bad thoughts that has stopped that person
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Unless a CC customer has experienced caravanning/motorhoming in both the UK and the Continent. They are not in a position to compare.
As said earlier on.this thread there seems to be a little Englander attitude being displayed on this forum against those who dare to cross the channel to use continental campsites and enjoy seeing what Europe has offer.
Chill out people, I believe in personal choice. Please allow members to choose where they caravan without being criticised.
K
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I really want to visit France and Italy, when we get the chance. Would love to see some of the marvellous castles and old towns in France, especially those off the beaten track. France is a huge country though, lots to explore so will need a few different
trips! Will need help planning if we take MHAnd Italy for all the ruins and history. I quite fancy going to Italy by rail if I am being honest, more of an adventure.
Been to Greece, seen lots of the marvellous historical sites there, and thoroughly enjoyed walking around Athens. Standing on the bridge over the Corinth Canal was spectacular, there had been a minor earth tremor a few days before. The Acropolis and Agamemnon's
Palace were superb as well. We were very lucky, had some Greek friends who looked after us. We did a few Greek Islands as well. My sister worked on Crete for a while, she got to know the place like the locals....We did lake Garda and that area by train and coach last year,by Train is the way to travel with the speed and comfortand still seeing areas of interest,not a "cheap "option but well worth it for us
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Valda, your words of 'camped & Caravanned in this Country' is a valid experience to the UK sites & is good to share. The constant-'the UK is too expensive/full/too regimented' followed by paragraphs on how much better it is over the water, there is the problem.
I have no experience of towing abroad-by choice. I do have an option to post-not to tell the OP that He shouldn't try it either, I am pro choice. It is rather disingenuous of you to mix the facts to post negativity to deride others. I realise it isn't because
you dont understand it is because you dont want to understand, that will always create further problems....Good post and says how it comes across to others who have been there and done it,as if its navanier compared to here
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No pre-requisites needed, even if someone has not ventured across the water, he/she can surely give an opinion of what their belief is. It can then be answered by someone who has experienced it, maybe then dispelling bad thoughts that has stopped that person
from taking the plunge.a sensible thought.....and one close to the OP, i would have thought......HD asking a question....
theres room for more questions in this thread which could help folk understand the 'difference' in a particular area (ferry, driving, language, climate, sites, cost of living, food, etc, etc) that they are not familiar with.....
of course, this can easily sit alongsite any upfront 'difference' thoughts that occur to posters which might not have been mentioned previously....
a bit of an information exchange....?
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Unless a CC customer has experienced caravanning/motorhoming in both the UK and the Continent. They are not in a position to compare.
As said earlier on.this thread there seems to be a little Englander attitude being displayed on this forum against those who dare to cross the channel to use continental campsites and enjoy seeing what Europe has offer.
Chill out people, I believe in personal choice. Please allow members to choose where they caravan without being criticised.
K
No, K, I don't believe it's a Little Englander attitude (or a Little Scotlander attitude) but a seeming compulsion of the part of some to convert us all into holidaying across the Channel. I've no doubt there are good things over there but that is not my
chosen way and never will be. I object to the ongoing contrivance of some to turn almost every thread into how wonderful abroad is. This thread is the place to highlight differences and we all have s part to play, whether our experience is of the U.K., abroad
or both. Nobody should be trying to compel others to follow a particular course but, in the intended nature of the forum, helping each other by supplying information
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Unless a CC customer has experienced caravanning/motorhoming in both the UK and the Continent. They are not in a position to compare.
As said earlier on.this thread there seems to be a little Englander attitude being displayed on this forum against those who dare to cross the channel to use continental campsites and enjoy seeing what Europe has offer.
Chill out people, I believe in personal choice. Please allow members to choose where they caravan without being criticised.
K
And as also said earlier, that's a rather curious interpretation of the way the thread has gone (IMHO). The interest to me is that it was intended to be about "differences", not "superiority" of one over the other! Sadly, it does seem to me that those who chose to tour in the UK rather than overseas are the ones frequently being belittled!
But certainly no-one could possibly take issue with your final sentence!
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just sat here drinking my tea and rereading this thread , my purpose of this thread was to find out why members go overseas and I have some good replys ,open roads ? not a big reason to make me go ,but I have looked at some of the places suggested and those
are more likely to get me to take the " plunge" , so all I need to do is get the M/H sorted ,print off the forms for the passport and get the dog her passport ( if she sits still for the photo)
now ,Ferry or Tunnel ,which is better , no ,I mean different
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HD-one is over water(Ferry), one is under(Tunnel)
if you decide to fly(Aeroplane). . . .I can help
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Husky, I haven't done it but in your shoes I would seriously consider the Tunnel in view of taking your dog. David hasn't crossed with a dog but I wonder which crossing others use from choice with dogs?
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just sat here drinking my tea and rereading this thread , my purpose of this thread was to find out why members go overseas and I have some good replys ,open roads ? not a big reason to make me go ,but I have looked at some of the places suggested and those
are more likely to get me to take the " plunge" , so all I need to do is get the M/H sorted ,print off the forms for the passport and get the dog her passport ( if she sits still for the photo)now ,Ferry or Tunnel ,which is better , no ,I mean different
probably depends on where you are heading and for how long...and your (obvious) proximity to any particular port..
then, for the longer crossings, cost will become a factor.....perhaps to be weighed against time.....driving, additional stops etc.....
for your first trip to the morth of france, and for a short time....looks like youll be doing a short crossing.....
but as i have never (yet) used the chunnel, i cant give you my personal view of this method.....it is slightly faster, and some feel its less 'hassle'.....drive on/off, not good 'sailors' etc.....but the short ferry trips are pretty easy these days.....and
cheaper.....non tesco user....however, some are not enamoured with being underground, or being enclosed in a train carriage.....
as you say, probably a stack of other stuff to get sorted for ypu first.....van, passport are pretty essential.....ferrys/tunnel can be booked at quite short notice...
good luck....
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