Page 9 of the March mag - Events
There is a table of events including QT ; MtM and AGM's It is noted that once again the nation of Scotland has been bypassed by the CC.
While England gets the interesting Question Time and Meet the Members , Scotland has been ignored and stuck with just an AGM. That's no use to the Scottish CC membership as the AGM, (and I've been there, done that) is only of interest to the minority rallyists group.
Wales have at least a MtM which I am happy about.
Perhaps Scotland is just a little far for the Grinstead staff to travel.
I'm sure I am not the only Scot questioning the decision.
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Kennine, as a past Chairman of the Central Region and having organised such events for nine years, it isn't HQ that decide when and were these events are. We as a Region had to decide what we wanted to organise and put a budget proposal forward to the Club.
These were considered, discussed and modified. If the Scottish Division hasn't organised an event then I would suggest your grievance is with them and would suggest you contact them direct instead of slagging off people via this forum.Perhaps you could even volunteer your services as a non-affiliated member or are you a true keyboard warrior?
Dave
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I also was wondering why there was nothing apart from the AGM. I expect it to be formal business and would look forward to something else being available. Maybe that was a stand at the recent show though?
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Kennine, as a past Chairman of the Central Region and having organised such events for nine years, it isn't HQ that e when and were these events are. We as a Region had to decide what we wanted to organise and put a budget proposal forward to the Club. These were considered, discussed and modified. If the Scottish Division hasn't organised an event then I would suggest your grievance is with them and would suggest you contact them direct instead of slagging off people via this forum.
Perhaps you could even volunteer your services as a non-affiliated member or are you a true keyboard warrior?
Dave
Write your comments here. There is no need for personal insults. Nor should you be insulting the scottish Division. A great example of a typical keyboard warrior. Try and be friendly and understand that others are entitled to an opinion.
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Kennine I explained exactly the same thing to you last year (and quite possibly the year before too) yet you still come back with the same thing again, Dave is not insulting anyone in his post and we are all trying to be friendly in explaining to those who
do not know how these things are organised. I'm fairly certain it was due to our discussion about this in a previous year that did lead to the Scottish Division discussing holding an event like a QT or MtM, does anyone from that neck of the woods know if it
went ahead? I have a feeling the fact that Scotland is soooo large an area was a contributing factor as not enough scottish members were willing to travel from all over to attend a short meeting.Alison
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I also was wondering why there was nothing apart from the AGM. I expect it to be formal business and would look forward to something else being available. Maybe that was a stand e recent show though?
Write your comments here...Indeed Navagateur, as customers of the CC leisure industry, We in Scotland should have equity with the rest of the UK. We pay our fees, buy their insurance and breakdown cover enjoy their sites and CL' s. We dont want special
treatment, just equity.Very few CC customers care about the CC staff admin structure and who does what. Its all the CC as far as we are concerned. We just want to be treated equally no matter where in the UK we live.
Dont know if you attended the only MtM at Strathclyde park a few years ago but it was a great success. We have never had the chance to repeat the event.
K
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K,
once again you are ignoring the fact that all of these events are not organised by CC staff but by committed volunteers. The events take a lot of time and effort by those volunteers. Given the area that the SCC cover the effort needed is multiplied. All
Divisions and Regions rely on volunteers so as I said previously if you want an event locally volunteer to help organise and run it I'm sure you will be welcomed with open arms. Knowing a lot of the SCC committee they'll probably throw in the odd dram.Dave
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Sadly the MtM at Strathclyde was during a foreign holiday and I did not attend. Scotland in The Caravan Club is not a Region but a Division so I, as humble member, expect that to mean a degree of H.O. organisational input. In view of the distances I wonder if a gathering of members that included a temporary site might assist people to attend. While Strathclyde is well placed for central belt it is nowhere near half way up our country - though in walking distance for me!
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Sadly the MtM at Strathclyde was during a foreign holiday and I did not attend. Scotland in The Caravan Club is not a Region but a Division so I, as humble member, expect that to mean a degree of H.O. organisational input. In view of the distances I wonder if a gathering of members that included a temporary site might assist people to attend. While Strathclyde is well placed for central belt it is nowhere near half way up our country - though in walking distance for me!
Nav. yes Scotland is called a Division rather than a Region that is because it is a National distinction rather then a Regional one. Even so all events organised by these Regions and Divisions are just that...organised by them not HO. As well as the annual AGMs which each Centre, Region and Division all have there are seperate Nationals for England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. so Scotland has an AGM for each individual area and an over all Divisional one AND a Scottish National which is a much more social event and longer too. All these are open to all members (not even just scottish ones either). The Scottish National moves around and is hosted by a different area each year.
Alison
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Oops of course only scottish members can speak & vote at the AGMs, I meant the Scottish National is open to all Club members, I have been to one myself and very enjoyable it was too and there was a preNational and a follow-on so it makes a really good holiday
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We attended a meeting a Luton a couple of years ago, It was nice to meet people and have an opportunity to ask Club Staff questions. However I would be surprised if there were more than 50 people (given the catchment area) there so quite expensive to organise. There was another in MK last years but unfortunately we were away at the time otherwise we would have gone.
David
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Very few CC customers care about the CC staff admin structure and who does what. Its all the CC as far as we are concerned. We just want to be treated equally no matter where in the UK we live.
Dont know if you attended the only MtM at Strathclyde park a few years ago but it was a great success. We have never had the chance to repeat the event.
K
Have you thought about getting involved Kennine and gathering a group of volunteers to organise something yourselves? It seems from posts both in the Mag and on here that these events are down to the hard work of a section of individual members who give
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The fact that events such as open question times etc, are sometimes poorly attended at a cost to all members. The organisers have to justify the expense, so withdraw from organising events and left for volunteers to take over!
Its no good for anyone to just moan about what was when they have no intention of doing something about it apart from moan! Why not contact the CC and offer to help get these events re-established? To help find venues at a good price and arrange to a CC
executive officer to attend and answer questions etc???its beggars belief when people want all but not give any help!
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Yes I am happy to get involved. But there is a limit what one single person can do on their own. There is the health and safety aspect, the risk assessment, the public liability clause ETC which no one person can authorise. It needs the involvement of the CC head office. And since they would be involved, they may as well use their staff whether paid or unpaid who have expertise in those matters and organise the lot. So my involvement would be to turn up and make the discussions as interesting and lively as possible.
K
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K you could start by volunteering at a cc site and see what's involved ,it might be an experience that will maybe? show you ,that although you seem negative about most club activities,it is quite well run!!
Despite its foubles that tend to affect any large organizations
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Yes I am happy to get involved. But there is a limit what one single person can do on their own. There is the health and safety aspect, the risk assessment, the public liability clause ETC which no one person can authorise. It needs the involvement of the
CC head office. And since they would be involved, they may as well use their staff whether paid or unpaid who have expertise in those matters and organise the lot. So my involvement would be to turn up and make the discussions as interesting and lively
as possible.K
...Words come easy Kennine.....! Action takes effort.
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K you could start by volunteering at a cc site and see what's involved ,it might be an experience that will maybe? show you ,that although you seem negative about most club activities,it is quite well run!!
Despite its foubles that tend to affect any large organizations
Write your comments here...If that involves free site nights I might consider it. If not - No Way.
Anyway can we please return to the original subject of the thread which is that under the CC publication on page 9 of the Mag . Scotland only gets an AGM, whereas England gets six Question Times and Seven Meet the Members. along with the obligatory AGM's. Wales thankfully gets one MtM plus an AGM.
The point throughout this thread that there is not equity or fairness in the way those events have been organised.
Lets have a bit of equality Chaps and Chapesses.
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Yes I am happy to get involved. But there is a limit what one single person can do on their own. There is the health and safety aspect, the risk assessment, the public liability clause ETC which no one person can authorise. It needs the involvement of the
CC head office. And since they would be involved, they may as well use their staff whether paid or unpaid who have expertise in those matters and organise the lot. So my involvement would be to turn up and make the discussions as interesting and lively
as possible.K
But your are still ignoring the point that these events are organised by volunteers NOT CC HQ. The volunteers take care of health and safety, risk assessment etc. The Club' involvement is to provide volunteers from the staff and executive to attend such
events to talk to the members. Not organise the event.All the numbers you keep quoting show is that there are volunteers willing to put themselves forward to organise the events are you?
Dave
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K The English part of the cc has I would think one two more members & centres, that are willing to give up some of their time to help out their fellow members, whether the events are well attended or not is down to apperthy ,that is prevalent in all walks of life,which then comes to the fore when a "problem" is blamed on everything that would if needed, might just have been explained at one of the events
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Like Dave I have attended quite a few Regional events, in fact that is how we first met
. They are great for meeting those who do have some say in what happens but sadly that is not of interest to the majority of the membership and as has been said already, these events take a lot of organising and without members being willing to travel to them perhaps solo or like us often combining an overnight stay on a local site (at our own expense) it really is a pointless exercise. That is why a fair amount of effort also goes into advertising them, not only within centres but with dealers in the region and on sites with posters & leaflets.Anyone who has ever visited Scotland appreciates the sheer logistics of organising an event like this is even bigger because of the area covered, however Scotland is divided up into areas for rallying and it is these areas that share the organisation of the Nationals along with the Divisional officers who include non-rallying volunteers as well just like the English Regions do and ALSO on page 9 of the march magazine, under the heading Have Your Say, it is explained that anyone can volunteer to help on the Divisional council as an independent member.
I know all Regions and Divisions welcome independent members and indeed, need them to help make up their councils. You do not have to be a rallier or have anything to do with rallies to do this.
Alison
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Many thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. Its been interesting with some of the replies being very humerous. Some trying to be helpful and some using the "Shoot The Messenger Tactic".
As normal paying customers of any retail company we neither need to know the internal workings of their business decision making, be it by committee or staff or management .
We pay our money and buy the goods and services on offer be it from the CC, Tesco's or Amazon.
The figures quoted in the op for the geographical locations of the events are the CC's figures and therefore should not be disputed.
It is of no consequence which areas are favoured and nobody is really going to care. Being a discussion forum it is always good to discuss the articles in the monthly magazine. All good fun and always interesting to read others views on the published article.
K
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There was one of the meetings at one of the hotels in Strathclyde Park a couple of years ago. Unfortunately I was tied up that day and could not go so do not know if it was well supported but if not that might be the problem.
It was well attended, rather dominated by centre members but not a major issue. I would be happy to support such an event again though would like to have had more chance to hear from the regional sites manager on subjects like underinvestment at Craigie
and Balbirnie.My gripe was the fact that there was too much banter between centre members and not enough time getting down to brass tacks.
My better half felt, and this is a personal opinion off course, though as a member one she is entitled to, that the back slapping and folks with their wee badges of office on was very off putting. As a life long user of the CC like myself she felt any new
members who attended could have been put off thinking that this is all the CC is about ... We off course knew different!0 -
There was one of the meetings at one of the hotels in Strathclyde Park a couple of years ago. Unfortunately I was tied up that day and could not go so do not know if it was well supported but if not that might be the problem.
It was well attended, rather dominated by centre members but not a major issue. I would be happy to support such an event again though would like to have had more chance to hear from the regional sites manager on subjects like underinvestment at Craigie
and Balbirnie.My gripe was the fact that there was too much banter between centre members and not enough time getting down to brass tacks.
My better half felt, and this is a personal opinion off course, though as a member one she is entitled to, that the back slapping and folks with their wee badges of office on was very off putting. As a life long user of the CC like myself she felt any new
members who attended could have been put off thinking that this is all the CC is about ... We off course knew different!Write your comments here...Good post Ian, It was a good well attended event. The rallyists did try and take over but there were enough normal CC members to point some of the questions in a sensible direction.
Pity the event is never to be repeated but the CC has made their decision and we will all have to accept it.
K
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Having read all of this thread (I think - but not all at once) there are a couple of things I do not understand.
Each event is organised by members from the local area who have to do things like risk assessments, negotiating terms, and all the arrangements. So we have seperate teams of people throughout the land all having to learn the same skills without any co-ordination
of competence or standard, or learning from others' experience.No UK wide rates on meeting facilities or accomodation.
No UK wide caravaning organisation offering reduced rates on a site (in quiet times) for people attending.
There are people who like organising gatherings such as have been described but it is not everyone's hobby. Most of us on here want to go caravaning in some form, not meeting arranging as we may not have the personality for that sort of thing. I wonder how
we might attract such "meeting arrangers" to join our happy band where they could be let loose to fulfil themselves on what they enjoy doing.Dare I say that there may be amongs the rallying part of our great fraternity a few who can take pleasure both in arranging gatherings and caravaning?
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... but the CC has made their decision and we will all have to accept it.
K
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Despite all the evidence posted by others on here throughout, that contradicts your conclusion that this is a Top-Down decision.
You choose to ignore it:
No-matter how many others you may convince by simply repeating yourself;
It will not make this true.
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Surely a decision is "top down" when Head Office decides to let (make?) the troops do it?
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Surely a decision is "top down" when Head Office decides to let (make?) the troops do it?
Write your comments here...I have to agree with that - good post.
And yet there are those who still think that the organisation of those events are somehow not any responsibility of the CC.
K
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