Contemporary Art -- Is it Art at all ?.
Piles of Bricks - Old wooden Gym floor stuck on a wall - A large round panel with millions of dead flies stuck on it - ETC ETC --- Are those things Art, or just a big con by talentless people who invent stories how their "Work" represents their innermost
thoughts on the meaning of life.
Has anybody on this forum bought any of that stuff ??.
K 
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Folk need to approach these things with an open mind. If it ain't for you-move on. It's all about 'open mindedness', it's about absorbing what you see & not approaching it from the old stand point of art, throw out the stale expected attitude.
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You could add music and drama and architecture to your question and get similar answers. You either like it or you don't but very often the passage of time will change people's perception. Christopher Wren got a lot of criticism for his taste and competence
in his lifetime but now he is generally admired, lots of now great artists died poor and unappreciated. Perhaps we should be buying some of that stuff and hope that the great grandchildren inherit a masterpiece. I wouldn't want it in the house though , it
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We visited Castle Drogo last month in Devon. Inside was all upside down due to massive renovations ongoing. However, they had a display of tapestries in a couple of the rooms. The old 16th Century Flemish ones were wonderful. Alongside was one by Grayson Perry, huge, brightly coloured, full of tiny interesting details. First time I have ever seen any of his/her work, and I found it stunning. Very interesting. But it certainly divided lots in the room, some hated it, some were like me, loved it. It has got me interested in looking at more of Grayson Perry's work.
Edit: the work I saw is called The Map of Truths and Beliefs. Parts of it are not for the easily offended, so be warned if you decide to view.
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I know what prompts my interest and appreciation and it may well be different to that of others. In fact I'd say it will definitely be different to others! Sometimes art is not just in the visual, it's in that provoked in the individual mind! But we all
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Fish, I bet She finds your loyalty quite touching
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I think it is rubbish! Better things seen going to the coup! [aka landfill]
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I once saw where they got an elephant to paint a canvas and passed it off as by a famous artist to a bunch of art critics....who waxed lyrical about the depth of composition etc. etc.
They then took a multi-million pound piece onto the street and had a street painter put it with his work - similar results, well its not very good is it!
Each to their own, I appreciate the large master pieces that look like photos such skill and attention to detail, but some of this modern stuff....quite frankly my kids have brought better back from school....and theirs is @$%&.
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Some people have a very black and white view of the world of Art which perhaps restricts their ability to view things which are strange to them objectively. You could say that the Angel of the North is a rusty hulk or you could stay that it is a magnificient
landmark. Whichever camp you fall in is perfectly legitimate but the difficulties begin when we try and force our own views on others. Now some might think that a Piccaso painting is odd or worse but there are few of us who would not be happy to own one becuase
it is worth a fortune? I have a nephew who is a talented young artist but many would find his art somewhat strange that doesn't deny the fact that he has a talent which I lack completely.David
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Piccaso was actually a really talented artist in his early days. He could actually paint good stuff.
But he went off the rails later in life (presumably by then he had conned enough people that he could sell them any old rubbish and they would be afraid to say what it actually was - rubbish).
Visit the Piccaso museum in Malaga and you will see what I mean.
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Ian
I think what you mean is that his original paintings were more conventional but he moved on to more surreal style of painting. In fact I think he had an in between style of paiting known as his Blue Period which was different again. I was able to go to an
exhibition of his work when we were in Amsterdam, fascianting.David
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No David.
I mean that his early paintings were good and showed real talent. Whereas his later stuff (including his 'blue' period - for which we can read "can't be bothered to wash out the brush") was rubbish and took the mick out of the pretentious types.
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I think those people who knock together those piles of rubbish and call it Art are conning the public. A public who having delusions of grandeur are scared to tell the truth in case they are thought to be inferior. Similar to the Emperors clothes mentioned earlier on the thread.
In Scotland we are not so easily fooled and are quite happy to call the pile of rubbish exactly what it is. . ---- A load of (dog poo) or words to that effect.
k
Thats my considered view. ---The arty farty types might disagree.
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In your opinion Chem, is that how you encourage the young and naïve amongst us?
Obviously I don't tell them that (but I am just being honest on here
).Same as when they come home with a tupperware tub full of mangled veg swimming in dirty dish water, purporting to be 'Tomato Salsa', I eat a spoonful with a yum.....and try to convince them that their mother would really enjoy the rest of it!
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We visited Castle Drogo last month in Devon. Inside was all upside down due to massive renovations ongoing. However, they had a display of tapestries in a couple of the rooms. The old 16th Century Flemish ones were wonderful. Alongside was one by Grayson
Perry, huge, brightly coloured, full of tiny interesting details. First time I have ever seen any of his/her work, and I found it stunning. Very interesting. But it certainly divided lots in the room, some hated it, some were like me, loved it. It has got
me interested in looking at more of Grayson Perry's work.Edit: the work I saw is called The Map of Truths and Beliefs. Parts of it are not for the easily offended, so be warned if you decide to view.
tda, there are more of his tapestries at Croome Park N/T, near Upton-on-Severn if you'd like to see others of his work. Really spectacular, but certainly not to everyone's taste.
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We visited Castle Drogo last month in Devon. Inside was all upside down due to massive renovations ongoing. However, they had a display of tapestries in a couple of the rooms. The old 16th Century Flemish ones were wonderful. Alongside was one by Grayson
Perry, huge, brightly coloured, full of tiny interesting details. First time I have ever seen any of his/her work, and I found it stunning. Very interesting. But it certainly divided lots in the room, some hated it, some were like me, loved it. It has got
me interested in looking at more of Grayson Perry's work.Edit: the work I saw is called The Map of Truths and Beliefs. Parts of it are not for the easily offended, so be warned if you decide to view.
tda, there are more of his tapestries at Croome Park N/T, near Upton-on-Severn if you'd like to see others of his work. Really spectacular, but certainly not to everyone's taste.
Thanks Nellie.
I try and keep an open mind about art. Lots of it won't appeal to everyone, some that I look at and think whatever is that all about? I like Antony Gormley's work, some of Damien Hirst's. Not keen on Anish Kapoor. Contemporary Art is not something that
really appeals to me, much prefer classical art and especially Pre Raphaelite stuff. The PR's were laughed at and shunned when they first started painting, now they are revered and go for £millions! It's a very individual thing.Art Critics are a hoot, they are the con artists. I have never required anyone to tell me what I should or shouldn't like!
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Modern Art & Death of a Culture by H.R. Rookmaaker gives an interesting take on this stuff.
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Piles of Bricks - Old wooden Gym floor stuck on a wall - A large round panel with millions of dead flies stuck on it - ETC ETC --- Are those things Art, or just a big con by talentless people who invent stories how their "Work" represents their innermost thoughts on the meaning of life.
Has anybody on this forum bought any of that stuff ??.
K
Kenine, the mere fact that this stuff is offered as 'art' shows just how far down the road we've gone to screwball park! Buy it? Good Lord, you'd only encourage the idiots to produce more of the garbage! They should be arrested under the Trade Descriptions Act and if you don't like that - under the Mental Health Act! It certainly doesn't provoke any thought in me except contempt.
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