Removing van spare wheel

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  • EmilysDad
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    edited August 2016 #32

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    I will sort that when I am PMCool

    I'll vote for you Cool

  • Wildwood
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    edited August 2016 #33

    I am afraid the inflation kits can only deal with a small puncture. If there is anything more then they are useless so keep the spare.

    Frankly I would make it illegal to sell a car without a spare but it will not happen.

    Write your comments here...If ALL breakdown companies refused to attend vehicles without a full sized spare, i suspect it wouldnt be long before full sized spare wheels became the norm again.   

    I think they like the idea of no spare, they charge you an excess and sell you a new tyre at full price. Probably the only call out that makes them real money.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited August 2016 #34

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    Frankly I would make it illegal to sell a car without a spare but it will not happen.

    Where would you stow this compulsory spare wheel? I have two Smarts, neither have room for one .... unless it sits on the passenger's knee

  • EmilysDad
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    edited August 2016 #35

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    I think they like the idea of no spare, they charge you an excess and  ....

    I'm sure this has been asked before, but can't remember the answer. I can accept an excess if the car has an un-useable spare, but if the car never had one, or provision for one, I'd not be happy

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited August 2016 #36

    Do Smarts still have different size wheels back and front? If so that would mean carrying two spares.Smile

  • EmilysDad
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    edited August 2016 #37

    Do Smarts still have different size wheels back and front? If so that would mean carrying two spares.Smile

    Both cars have different offsets front and back & both cars are different from each other, the Fortwo having different sized tyres. Not uncommon either on Mercs in General

  • kaenergas
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    edited August 2016 #38

    The idea of the no spare as standard came from the drive to reduce overal weight thereby improving emissions and running costs, to try to get lower car tax etc at the test centre that evaluates the car rating before general release, Volvo did this with the
    XC 90 they managed to get below the top rated car tax, to steal a march on its rivals now they are all at it. All vehicles should have spare wheels as standard Imho.

  • rayjsj
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    edited September 2016 #39

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    Frankly I would make it illegal to sell a car without a spare but it will not happen.

    Where would you stow this compulsory spare wheel? I have two Smarts, neither have room for one .... unless it sits on the passenger's knee

    Write your comments here...Smarts aside, they would be carried where they always were (until very recently) in a purpose made well under the boot, or in the case of 4x4s mounted on the rear door, which i always thought was a very sensible place, added rear protection, and very easy to remove and fit.  Originally cars carried 2 spare wheels built into the front wings and running boards (remember them)? Although 2 spares is a bit of overkill. 

    The gunk kits are virtually useless ,like a parachute bag without a parachute.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #40

     .......Smarts aside,  ....

    I'm sure that other manufacturers would want to be to be exempt too. We could refit the hydraulic jack in each corner too (a bit before even my time - Rileys?) And what size would it be? Same as the front or same as rear?

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #41

    So ... kinda back on topic ..... the thread reminded me that I should maybe have a play with the Alko underslung carrier on our recent Coachman.

    I've read various comment on this carrir & thought  ... 'how hard can it be?' It can't be as bad as everyone makes out. I removed it easily and wondered why eveyone makes such a fuss. Putting the bu66er back though isn't quite the reverse of removal. It's
    back in postion having been checked for pressure, but I'd not relish the thought of replacing it in the dark at the side of a road/motorway

  • ocsid
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    edited September 2016 #42

    It's back in postion having been checked for pressure, but I'd not relish the thought of replacing it in the dark at the side of a road/motorway

    In practice you would not unless it was the only carrying option, as you need the rim at least to be to hand, to get a new tyre fitted ASAP.

    Those that tuck it under the bed might have second thoughts putting a burnt tyre there after a tyre blowout failure. 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #43

    It's back in postion having been checked for pressure, but I'd not relish the thought of replacing it in the dark at the side of a road/motorway

    In practice you would not unless it was the only option, as you need the rim at least to get a new trye fitted ASAP

    but the carrier, with or without a rim needs to go back, otherwise the two bars that the carrier slides onto will drag along the floor .... unless of course you want to crawl under the other side too & remove them Wink

    soory Ocsid ... just realsied exactly what you meant Embarassed

  • Bruiska
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    edited November 2016 #44

    I would stick to your spare . If your tyre is'nt knackered you will knacker it using gunk. As with cars you are better buying a spare wheel than having one of those kits. you can use them once then you have to buy a new kit and also a new tyre.

  • Tigi
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    edited November 2016 #45

    I would stick to your spare . If your tyre is'nt knackered you will knacker it using gunk. As with cars you are better buying a spare wheel than having one of those kits. you can use them once then you have to buy a new kit and also a new tyre.

    Write your comments here...New kit, new tyre hardly budget breaking if you can afford the car?

  • Wildwood
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    edited November 2016 #46

    The problem with the gunk is it will only fix minor punctures. If the tyre is badly damaged or cut they do not work so a spare wheel is a far better bet.

  • IanBHawkes
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    edited November 2016 #47

    Personally, I don't see what the fuss is with regard to Alko wheel carriers. Mine has never been a problem getting in or out and it is 20 years old now (it is only used at the annual service). Also, if I was to have a puncture I would be calling Mayday,
    afterall it is not recommended to risk your life to change the wheel without the safety of a breakdown truck.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited November 2016 #48

    Personally, I don't see what the fuss is with regard to Alko wheel carriers. Mine has never been a problem getting in or out and it is 20 years old now (it is only used at the annual service). Also, if I was to have a puncture I would be calling Mayday,
    afterall it is not recommended to risk your life to change the wheel without the safety of a breakdown truck.

    It won't be a problem to you if you get MayDay to change your spare

  • IanBHawkes
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    edited November 2016 #49

    Personally, I don't see what the fuss is with regard to Alko wheel carriers. Mine has never been a problem getting in or out and it is 20 years old now (it is only used at the annual service). Also, if I was to have a puncture I would be calling Mayday,
    afterall it is not recommended to risk your life to change the wheel without the safety of a breakdown truck.

    It won't be a problem to you if you get MayDay to change your spare.

    Exactly! But even when it is being serviced, it slides out and slides back in without any problems.

  • Spriddler
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    edited November 2016 #50

    Has anyone any experience of these liquid sealants that can be injected into car tyres to provide self-sealing properties?

    I've used it on a motorbike tubeless tyre. It's called 'Slime' and it took the guy half an hour and cost £25 to have the rim cleaned of the sticky mess before he would fit a new tyre.

    The first national tyre company that I took the wheel to wouldn't touch it.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited November 2016 #51

     

    It won't be a problem to you if you get MayDay to change your spare.

    Exactly! But even when it is being serviced, it slides out and slides back in without any problems.

    I might have said this before in the thread .... I had a trial run on my drive, and whether it was because my caravan is wider than the carrier was designed for I don't know, but the carrier slides off the tubes just as you get to release the spare. Which
    make refitting interesting.

  • IanBHawkes
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    edited November 2016 #52

     

    It won't be a problem to you if you get MayDay to change your spare.

    Exactly! But even when it is being serviced, it slides out and slides back in without any problems.

    I might have said this before in the thread .... I had a trial run on my drive, and whether it was because my caravan is wider than the carrier was designed for I don't know, but the carrier slides off the tubes just as you get to release the spare. Which
    make refitting interesting.

    Never had that problem. Smile

     

  • G Cherokee
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    edited November 2016 #53

    Personally I wouldn't advise using the gunk in caravan tyres because our twin wheel swift has the tyre pressures of a boeing 727 and I'm not convinced that the stuff will handle above average pressures.

    Also it is deemed as a temporary fix, and as someone else has stated it will be hard to find a fitter that will go near it, and if you plead ignorance they will soon find out as aparently the tyres are a mare to get off and it all has to be completly cleaned
    out.

    I for one will always carry a normal spare, I dont even like those wheelbarrow wheels that most cars used to be fitted with.

  • thegibsons
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    edited November 2016 #54

    if you use the injected gunk no tyre company will work on the tyre, so the temp repair is permanent

  • bootneck248
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    edited November 2016 #55

    Thanks for many tips,  all have helped me decide. On the car I shall use temp spare (wanted full size spare unfortunately well in boot won't take it)  will keep compressor as a maintenance tool. Shall not use gunk in van tyres, As was pointed out it would
    cause problems with my Tyron bands. Shall ditch Alko carrier  and put spare in large bag and carry it over axle inside van, no great problem sliding it under van when on site. Thanks again for all info provided