Twitching caravan

Bev Nottinghamshire
Bev Nottinghamshire Forum Participant Posts: 17
edited May 2016 in Caravans #1

Hi, we have a lunar 546/6 2010 single axle fitted with alko stabiliser we have had the van for over three years and never had a problem with it always loaded it correctly. We towed with the old kia sorento 2004 2.5 diesel however we swapped it last November
for the newer 2.2 Kia sorento both are manuel, we did two journeys no problem in fact the new kia seems to tow better, however the last two times we have been out with it, it has started to twitch at around 65mph before you all say thats too fast, we normally
stick to 50-60mph but sometimes when overtaking you need to increase the speed slightly and as I said we had no problem with the old sorento or this new one on the first two journeys, it just started when we were on the m42 then again the A1 and it was quite
daunting my hubby put break cleaner on the pads and used fine sand paper but it still does it. He tried increasing the speed without overtaking and it still does it. We have been towing for over 12years so he is an experienced tower and vechicle and caravan
are well within the clubs recomendations, so any sensible advice would be appreciated.

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  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited May 2016 #2

    A stabiliser will only a stabilise a well balance outfit ..... if your caravan is going to twitch or snake, holding onto a 50mm ball isn't going to stop it. If you're certain it's your new car rather than a loading problem, then maybe your car's rear suspension
    ie bushes, shockers etc need a coat of looking at.

    My R Class will tow my Lunar 520/2 at and above 60mph with ease and no drama

  • HarleyDave
    HarleyDave Forum Participant Posts: 150
    edited May 2016 #3

    My answer would be slow down don't go over 60mph.But could be wrong tyre pressures car/caravan,is nose weight same on new car as old car,worn shockers on car.Could be something simple,hope so for your wallets sakeWinking

  • jeffcc
    jeffcc Forum Participant Posts: 430
    edited May 2016 #4

    Hi bev  may be worth having alook on here they are a helpful bunch
    http://www.kiaownersclub.co.uk/forum/tyres-and-instability_topic17782_page1.html   I have known different tyres front to rear cause this type of problem so worth checking condition and type of tyres

    Jeffcc

  • katieb
    katieb Forum Participant Posts: 74
    edited May 2016 #5

    Is this post serious?

    60mph is the legal maximum you can tow at in the uk.

    Even if you don't mind getting prosecuted for speeding please consider the safety of other road users and do not exceed the limit for any reason.  A caravan can be a considerable danger to others.

    End of sermon.

  • markflip
    markflip Forum Participant Posts: 177
    edited May 2016 #6

    Are the towball height and/or nose weight limit on the new Kia the same as the older model?  A small change in either will have a surprising effect on handling.  At speed, it could also be the aerodynamics of the new combination that upsets it. Generally
    a caravan is more stable with the nose weight towards the top of the limit of the towball/car/hitch than light, so it might be worth investing in/borrowing a nose weight gague if you haven't already and experimenting with different loading.  As others have
    said, I would have a really good inspection of the car's rear suspension too.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited May 2016 #7

    Is this post serious?

    60mph is the legal maximum you can tow at in the uk.

    Even if you don't mind getting prosecuted for speeding please consider the safety of other road users and do not exceed the limit for any reason.  A caravan can be a considerable danger to others.

    End of sermon.

    You're legally allowed to tow at over 60mph in parts of Europe, so, legally aside, why is it so dangerous to do so here in Blighty? Is a an unbalanced outfit safe if it's doing 59mph? We have a max limit of 70 on a motorway, on certain motorways you'd be lucky to get out of lane one if doing 'just' 70mph

    Amen!

  • scoutman
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    edited May 2016 #8

    Then why get out of lane one!!!!

  • EmilysDad
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    edited May 2016 #9

    Then why get out of lane one!!!!

    You're presumming I would want to .......... Tongue Out

  • KENNYG
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    edited May 2016 #10

    I to got rid of a 06 sarento for a 2014 sarento self leveling suspension. The old one was a steady as a rock they had the ladder chassis the new one is monocoque built in I don't think it is as sterdy. Exelent for towing but found it very twitchy in wind
    any thing that passes ruts on the motorway. To add I have even taken the nexon tyres of and put goodyear wranglers on.  And to finish how many caravaners out there never go over 60 mph.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited May 2016 #11

    Even if ther speedo indicated 65, I suspect it was still doing sub 60.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited May 2016 #12

     .... And to finish how many caravaners out there never go over 60 mph.

    Very few I would think ..... .

  • DORMAN12Q
    DORMAN12Q Forum Participant Posts: 90
    edited May 2016 #13

    I find the ruts in the A1 make my motor twitch even solo , are you sure it does it all the time or just on those roads.

    Are the sidewalls softer on the tyres of your new motor as that can make it wag with the caravan on.

     

     

  • Bev Nottinghamshire
    Bev Nottinghamshire Forum Participant Posts: 17
    edited May 2016 #14

    Thanks for all your replies, we have ordered some new friction pads for the stabiliser as some forums have suggested this and also the new Kia has had a full service and suspension is fine, the next step will be tyres as it has nexons on the back, what we
    cant understand is on its first two outings and one was on the Al heading up to Peterbourgh the caravan was fine at all speeds even when overtaking big lorries, and finally yes we do no the speed limit but as someone said in an earlier post you sometimes need
    to increase your speed more than you would like because of the speed of other vechicles. 

  • Bev Nottinghamshire
    Bev Nottinghamshire Forum Participant Posts: 17
    edited May 2016 #15

    Another point to add is it seems to be the caravan jumping about when looking in the mirror, the car seems stable.

  • DORMAN12Q
    DORMAN12Q Forum Participant Posts: 90
    edited May 2016 #16

    You haven't put weight right at the back to lower the nose weight have you, it could be dumbelling 

  • dave the rave
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    edited May 2016 #17

    Iwonder if the "goody twoshoes" who never exceed the speed limit when towing never exceed the speed limit when solo,never drive at more than 5 mph in a car park,never "amber gamble" always signal well before making a manouvre etc.etc.

  • dave the rave
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    edited May 2016 #18

    I have recently changed my facelift Sorento (brilliant towcar at any speed!) for a Sorento KX3 but without self levelling.I have fitted MAD heavy duty springs.I towed an unladen <van for about 100 miles the other day,it was a bit windy) and the <van was
    stable at 60mph on the motorway.My own van is somewhat heavier and I am off to Argyle in a few weeks (500 miles each way).This is when I will find out the differences!.

  • HarleyDave
    HarleyDave Forum Participant Posts: 150
    edited May 2016 #19

    I do break the speed limit occasionly(honest officer)but when towing I feel more relaxed towing at 55-60 on motorway/dual carriageway

  • Rushallmanor
    Rushallmanor Forum Participant Posts: 78
    edited May 2016 #20

    The OP does not mention which version of the new Sorento they have, the 2010 to 2012 version that has round front spot lights has known towing issues. That is why there was a revision in 2013 with a different suspension and a lower ride. All the information
    can be found at the kis owners club webpage.

  • KENNYG
    KENNYG Forum Participant Posts: 215
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    edited May 2016 #21

    I have recently changed my facelift Sorento (brilliant towcar at any speed!) for a Sorento KX3 but without self levelling.I have fitted MAD heavy duty springs.I towed an unladen <van for about 100 miles the other day,it was a bit windy) and the <van was
    stable at 60mph on the motorway.My own van is somewhat heavier and I am off to Argyle in a few weeks (500 miles each way).This is when I will find out the differences!.

    Write your comments here...I thought the kx3 had self leveling suspension. 

  • dave the rave
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    edited May 2016 #22

    Unfortunately not the 20210 model!

  • KENNYG
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    edited May 2016 #23

    Sorry my mistake. 

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2016 #24

    Parts of the A1 are horrendous for ruts in road, this applies solo and of course is magnified when towing. Personally, if your vehicle is twitching, then I would slow down. The speed limit is there for a reason, and I wish I had a pound for every caravan
    we have seen In bits on A1 and M1 around us. More so if you have your children in the tow car with you.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited May 2016 #25

     .... and also the new Kia has had a full service and suspension is fine ....

    A new service doesn't neccessarily mean all is OK underneath. A previous car of mine went through 2 MOTs with failed/failing rear radius arm bushes.

  • ATDel
    ATDel Forum Participant Posts: 335
    edited May 2016 #26

    Iwonder if the "goody twoshoes" who never exceed the speed limit when towing never exceed the speed limit when solo,never drive at more than 5 mph in a car park,never "amber gamble" always signal well before making a manouvre etc.etc.

    Iwonder if the "goody twoshoes" who never exceed the speed limit when towing never exceed the speed limit when solo,never drive at more than 5 mph in a car park,never "amber gamble" always signal well before making a manouvre etc.etc.

    Some posts you read beggers belief, this is one of them.

    Drivers who drive like you describe are some of the many problems we have on our roads today. I train professional drivers for a living and if any of our drivers had this attitude they wouldn't last long. I don't know what is wrong with sticking to the rules, please enlighten us. 

    Oh and so to keep on topic our kx2 2013 tows our 1750kg Lunar well rock solid upto 60mph, what it does at 65 I don't know as I'm one of those who stick to the speed limit unlike some

    Kev

  • dave the rave
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    edited May 2016 #27

    Iwonder if the "goody twoshoes" who never exceed the speed limit when towing never exceed the speed limit when solo,never drive at more than 5 mph in a car park,never "amber gamble" always signal well before making a manouvre etc.etc.

    Iwonder if the "goody twoshoes" who never exceed the speed limit when towing never exceed the speed limit when solo,never drive at more than 5 mph in a car park,never "amber gamble" always signal well before making a manouvre etc.etc.

    Some posts you read beggers belief, this is one of them.

    Drivers who drive like you describe are some of the many problems we have on our roads today. I train professional drivers for a living and if any of our drivers had this attitude they wouldn't last long. I don't know what is wrong with sticking to the rules,
    please enlighten us

    Kev

    Write your comments here...

  • dave the rave
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    edited May 2016 #28

    My point exactly!!!!!The standard of driving these days is appalling!Your average driver today does not use indicators,does not obey speed limits,drives aggresively and selfishly!!!When they park they take no heed of any obstruction or danger that they may
    cause! The average caravan tower is no better! Dont do backwards thats why I have a mover!!!I could go non and on and on but I am sure that I have said enough to upset a few!!!!!

  • Bev Nottinghamshire
    Bev Nottinghamshire Forum Participant Posts: 17
    edited May 2016 #29

    It is a 2010 kx2 model

  • ATDel
    ATDel Forum Participant Posts: 335
    edited May 2016 #30

    My point exactly!!!!!The standard of driving these days is appalling!Your average driver today does not use indicators,does not obey speed limits,drives aggresively and selfishly!!!When they park they take no heed of any obstrutction or danger that they may cause! The average caravan tower is no better! Dont do backwards thats why I have a mover!!!I could go non and on and on but I am

     

    Yet you seem condone speeding 

     

  • dave the rave
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    edited May 2016 #31

    No i do not!!!!! What I was intimating was that those people in earlier posts who complained about others speeding when towing might not be as law abiding when not towing!!! Obviously without prejudice!!!!!!