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Why are we required to show I D when paying by cash for services etc at certain sites but not all sites
I thought cash was king
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Not sure what you are on about @skodaman 🤷♀️UK sites? Overseas Sites? CLs? What are you paying for…..pitch, something else🤷♀️
As for “cash being King (or Queen)”, many individuals and businesses have moved gently along and now embrace electronic payments, smart payments, etc… where it is economically viable to do so. I personally usually have a quid or two about me for buying eggs at farm gates, paying the toll over small local bridges and for putting into a supermarket trolley. Otherwise I happily survive the first quarter of the 21st Century🤭
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@skodaman as with TDA you've lost me there? Are you talking about club sites and what services? I've never know this to happen. I've only been asked for ID when I had forgot my club membership card on paying for my stay.
Well my children a few years ago were asked for ID when buying certain things like alcohol but that's about it. Are you buying things that require ID for age related purchases and if so take it as a compliment.
I always joke with the supermarket staff when the 'wait for assistance' light comes on that I'm upset that they don't ask for my ID!
It is very rare that I carry cash with me nowadays.
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I don’t understand the “passport” reference at all.
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For a very long time I existed without any kind of photo ID, that is Passport or driving license. I updated my Driv8ng License during lockdown to a photo one. Not used it yet though for ID.
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@Fozzie I've just looked on my before you travel and can't see that anywhere, was it campsite specific?
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@Fozzie thanks, yes it does appear on at least two campsites that I've checked so far, but not on my site booking.
Alderstead Heath Club Campsite
To ensure the safety and security of all our guests and site team, we ask all guests wishing to pay with cash, to provide identification. Accepted forms of photo ID are a photo driving licence, ID card or passport. Alternatively a utility bill or bank statement with current address.
The ones that have this appear to be in cities or towns?
What about for someone who doesn't drive and has no driving licence on them? I cn't think of ever carrying a bank or utility statement with me
So my kids when young used to go to the office to buy ice creams, chocolates… with cash, that's not an option anymore?
@Rowena can we have some information about this and why it's been brought in? Also @Rowena why can't a club membership card be used?
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I suspect counterfeit notes have been used at some sites or, maybe, it’s to prove the person is actually the member and not using someone else's membership card.
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@Tinwheeler agree about the notes but the ID isn't asked for at the time of using the membership card which would be a better check for that?
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none of it makes complete sense until you read between the lines as per TimboC's post
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The club can introduce whatever rules they wish of course and in the grand scheme of things it's not that onerous but I certainly would have fallen foul of it if I'd gone to buy a drink as I never carry my driving license on me all the time and certainly not walking around the site, passports only when jetting off and most of my utility bills are online and the few that aren't are posted home.
So no problems from me about the new rule but it would have been very useful to have a global announcement and I can't think why not?
I'm tempted to take the pitch fees out in cash for my imminent visit!
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@Tinwheeler thanks got it now!
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Makes sense now. It’s to stop people who might not be valid Members gaining access to services, and we all have a good idea of who might, enough of us having been party to illegal trespassers down the years. Mystery solved. It would have been helpful @skodaman if you had pointed folks towards looking at the Club’s advice on “Before you travel”.
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I suspect its all to do with financial regulations especially with regard to money laundering . Governments like a transparent clear pathways as far as cash is concerned. For the life of me I don't understand this need by some to use cash all the time when a card is easier and in most cases safer.
David .
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If you are offering to pay for goods or services in cash, can a seller legally refuse to accept that cash. I thought it was classified as a legal form of tender.
When you "check in" at a site then it is reasonable to ask for identification but that is something different as you have not yet received any goods or services at that time.
I am aware of an upper figure that kicks in regarding money laundering, and this is why you cannot for example pay for a new car in cash, but this is a figure far higher than a typical stay at a site.
Colin
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Paying with cash without any formal means of identification means that the guest or guests are anonymous, and cannot be traced should the need arise.
The likes of Premier Inn and Travelodge need you to secure your booking with a credit card and, if paying on arrival with cash, you need to have formal identification such as passport or driving licence. I'm told that this system came about as a result of rooms being used during the day and night for activities other than sleeping, and upsetting other guests
The problem that CAMC has is that you don't need to be a member to stay at some sites, so having a membership card is not an option.
This means that someone could arrive at site, pay with cash for one night, get hold of a barrier key and then use it to allow others onto the site without paying…all whilst being completely anonymous.
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@eribaMotters that legal tender has to be accepted is mainly urban myth, plenty of YouTube videos out there like the one below, a shop can refuse legal tender if it wants and choose to accept chocolate buttons. However it comes into settling debts.
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Have you never heard of counterfeit bank notes? They circulate widely, it’s why Bank notes change in terms of making it harder for crooks to churn them out by the £m and why it’s rare for most shops to accept £50 notes. Bank cards, like cash, need guarding carefully, how you use them, where you use them, who is lurking behind you in the queue, keep all the numbers from being shared, etc….. You can add layers of security by using things like Apple Pay, Google Pay, PayPal, or a Personal Bank Card verifier. Changing passwords frequently on websites you use a lot helps as well.
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I suppose it depends on how many payments are made using cash. However, unless all the notes are kept separate with the name of the user until they can be checked, I don’t see what use there is in asking for ID’s, there would be no way to prove who handed over which note, apart from perhaps finger prints. As the police are totally overstretched, it is extremely unlikely that would ever happen. Asking for an ID perhaps might be seen as a deterrent, but that’s about all.
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The reason is pretty obvious and it’s not in CAMC’s interests to give details which could lead others to evade the security process.
I’m sure we have previously had a thread discussing this issue.2 -
Would it really inconvenience members if the Club decided to go completely cashless? The obvious exception being the things sold in reception which are organised by the site warden. When you book a site you have to do that by card, following it through with a card payment seems a natural progression? It would also mean that wardens didn't have to bank large amounts of cash.
David
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